Yes, but you need an apple device for facetime, and how many people actually have Duo installed?
If your grandma has facebook and all her friends have facebook and all your friends have facebook... how many of them can you move over to Duo (r signal, telegram, matrix,...)?
I used Duo as an example.
I fail to see a real difference between a FB account and an iphone. Both serve as a way to connect to a network. Not everyone I know has a FB account, but most of those without a FB account have a cellphone. And frankly, around here (I live near Montreal), the majority have an iphone (and they already have Facetime).
I go where (my) people are and they are increasingly not on FB (and IG as well for that matter). Telegram, matrix and signal is not even mentionned.
I kind of get your point, but it can be applied to every network ever (needing a way to be part of the network).
Outside of northern america, androids vastly outnumber iphones, especially with nonrich and non-tech-savy (and very-tech-savy) people.
I live in the balkans... if people call someone, they call someone using a phone. If they use any of the internet-call services (from facebook video, to skype, viber calls, whatsapp, duo, etc...), they do it because they either want video with their calls or because the normal calls are expensive (for example, a minute of calling from slovenia (EU) to serbia (non-EU) costs 0.59eur, same for eg. switzerland... calling from serbia/switzerland back home (while roaming) is even worse - 2.65eur/minute).
So, to call people via an app, those people need an app installed (and an account on that app). Since most people here have androids, they don't have duo preinstalled, but most of them use either Viber, facebook (which now serves ads) or whatsapp (which is technically facebook, so ads could come there too).
Yes, i have no problems with setting up a sip server, sharing the credentials over irc and then using wireguard on one side and ipsec on the other to protect the sip session. My mom only knows how to use whatsapp, because that's the only thing she ever needed, because everyone she calls has whatsapp installed. Explaining how to install duo, and then calling my aunts and uncles and telling them why they need duo is a pain in the ass, especially if they're already happy with whatsapp. I have no idea how many old people you know and have dealt with regarding technical stuff, but if you don't believe me, you can try migrating my family to signal... and good luck with that :D
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Yes, but you need an apple device for facetime, and how many people actually have Duo installed?
If your grandma has facebook and all her friends have facebook and all your friends have facebook... how many of them can you move over to Duo (r signal, telegram, matrix,...)?
I used Duo as an example. I fail to see a real difference between a FB account and an iphone. Both serve as a way to connect to a network. Not everyone I know has a FB account, but most of those without a FB account have a cellphone. And frankly, around here (I live near Montreal), the majority have an iphone (and they already have Facetime).
I go where (my) people are and they are increasingly not on FB (and IG as well for that matter). Telegram, matrix and signal is not even mentionned.
I kind of get your point, but it can be applied to every network ever (needing a way to be part of the network).
Outside of northern america, androids vastly outnumber iphones, especially with nonrich and non-tech-savy (and very-tech-savy) people.
I live in the balkans... if people call someone, they call someone using a phone. If they use any of the internet-call services (from facebook video, to skype, viber calls, whatsapp, duo, etc...), they do it because they either want video with their calls or because the normal calls are expensive (for example, a minute of calling from slovenia (EU) to serbia (non-EU) costs 0.59eur, same for eg. switzerland... calling from serbia/switzerland back home (while roaming) is even worse - 2.65eur/minute).
So, to call people via an app, those people need an app installed (and an account on that app). Since most people here have androids, they don't have duo preinstalled, but most of them use either Viber, facebook (which now serves ads) or whatsapp (which is technically facebook, so ads could come there too).
Yes, i have no problems with setting up a sip server, sharing the credentials over irc and then using wireguard on one side and ipsec on the other to protect the sip session. My mom only knows how to use whatsapp, because that's the only thing she ever needed, because everyone she calls has whatsapp installed. Explaining how to install duo, and then calling my aunts and uncles and telling them why they need duo is a pain in the ass, especially if they're already happy with whatsapp. I have no idea how many old people you know and have dealt with regarding technical stuff, but if you don't believe me, you can try migrating my family to signal... and good luck with that :D
Jitsi is a good option IME. No signup required, just click a link.
https://meet.jit.si/