You can agree or disagree with Siegler as much as you want, you can like or dislike his clear bias towards Apple, but geez, Siegler doesn't seem to be able to defend himself.
Against the accusation that Siegler is part of a "class warfare", the only thing he has left to say is that the Nexus is actually more expensive, which was not the point of Topolovsky since he was criticizing the notion of condescending behavior against Android (re: they just dont see the polish).
Also he quotes a long argument with the Mercedes vs. Honda analogy and the only thing he has to say is:
"Okay Josh, I read my words out loud. They still sound pretty good to me as an (albeit simplistic) comparison. Your entire post, on the other hand, makes you sound like a fool.
Moving on."
Nothing. No defense.
Siegler, no one accuses you of having an opinion. But of unfair treatment.
I think the important piece of quote is this one (the words Siegler is supposed to read out loud):
"It's probably hard for a Mercedes owner to describe to a Honda owner how attention to detail makes their driving experience better."
If Siegler doesn't think his analogy of Mercedes vs Honda to Android vs. iOS is not some kind of "class warfare", then why doesn't he tell us what his analogy should tell us. And i think Topolovsky is pretty dead on:
"More insultingly, it suggests that as a person who is not part of whatever elite group MG believes exists, you couldn't even really understand why the Mercedes is superior."
I'll go one better than that. If Siegler thinks I should read him for his opinions, then I don't have to read him anymore. I know his opinion on the iPad 3 already. I know his opinion on the iPhone 5 already.
I suppose the answer is obvious -- there's a large market for firing up the base. Sorry, but that's not what I'm in the market for.
Where I come from we buy our phones not from a carrier but from a retailer and we are not forced into a payment plan that makes the phones look cheaper than they are. So an iPhone 4S costs from $830 and up, a Galaxy Nexus costs from $770. Both phones are pretty expensive but the iPhone is still the most expensive one. Those figures might be off in the states of course.
Yes, when I read this argument I thought: "You must be fucking kidding". Just because some companies offer cheaper initial subsidised phones it doesn't mean that the phone itself is cheaper. And it's not. At retail, most iOS products are $100 or $200 more expensive then their comparable Android equivalents (not talking about $99 tablets, of course, but I wouldn't consider them equivalent).
When I saw the initial Transformer Prime price I thought that it actually was incredibly cheap compared to the initial price iPad 2, especially considering that it comes with a dock and still is cheaper. At this rate I might be able to afford one when the prices drop.
>Against the accusation that Siegler is part of a "class warfare", the only thing he has left to say is that the Nexus is actually more expensive, which was not the point of Topolovsky since he was criticizing the notion of condescending behavior against Android.
Isn't class warfare based on the issue of economics? If Topolsky felt it was more about some superficial superiority of some Apple bloggers then he should've chosen his words better and not used such an inflammatory term.
>Siegler, no one accuses you of having an opinion. But of unfair treatment.
Siegler's article is entitled 'An iPhone Lover’s Take On The Galaxy Nexus'. I don't know how you can't be prepared for what may come.
The oddity is that Topolsky took one line in the review (which is mostly positive) to get extremely angry over. Certainly there is a bias against Google in a lot of Siegler's articles but I honestly don't see it here.
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You can agree or disagree with Siegler as much as you want, you can like or dislike his clear bias towards Apple, but geez, Siegler doesn't seem to be able to defend himself.
Against the accusation that Siegler is part of a "class warfare", the only thing he has left to say is that the Nexus is actually more expensive, which was not the point of Topolovsky since he was criticizing the notion of condescending behavior against Android (re: they just dont see the polish).
Also he quotes a long argument with the Mercedes vs. Honda analogy and the only thing he has to say is:
"Okay Josh, I read my words out loud. They still sound pretty good to me as an (albeit simplistic) comparison. Your entire post, on the other hand, makes you sound like a fool.
Moving on."
Nothing. No defense.
Siegler, no one accuses you of having an opinion. But of unfair treatment.
I think the important piece of quote is this one (the words Siegler is supposed to read out loud):
"It's probably hard for a Mercedes owner to describe to a Honda owner how attention to detail makes their driving experience better."
If Siegler doesn't think his analogy of Mercedes vs Honda to Android vs. iOS is not some kind of "class warfare", then why doesn't he tell us what his analogy should tell us. And i think Topolovsky is pretty dead on:
"More insultingly, it suggests that as a person who is not part of whatever elite group MG believes exists, you couldn't even really understand why the Mercedes is superior."
I'll go one better than that. If Siegler thinks I should read him for his opinions, then I don't have to read him anymore. I know his opinion on the iPad 3 already. I know his opinion on the iPhone 5 already.
I suppose the answer is obvious -- there's a large market for firing up the base. Sorry, but that's not what I'm in the market for.
Where I come from we buy our phones not from a carrier but from a retailer and we are not forced into a payment plan that makes the phones look cheaper than they are. So an iPhone 4S costs from $830 and up, a Galaxy Nexus costs from $770. Both phones are pretty expensive but the iPhone is still the most expensive one. Those figures might be off in the states of course.
Yes, when I read this argument I thought: "You must be fucking kidding". Just because some companies offer cheaper initial subsidised phones it doesn't mean that the phone itself is cheaper. And it's not. At retail, most iOS products are $100 or $200 more expensive then their comparable Android equivalents (not talking about $99 tablets, of course, but I wouldn't consider them equivalent).
When I saw the initial Transformer Prime price I thought that it actually was incredibly cheap compared to the initial price iPad 2, especially considering that it comes with a dock and still is cheaper. At this rate I might be able to afford one when the prices drop.
>Against the accusation that Siegler is part of a "class warfare", the only thing he has left to say is that the Nexus is actually more expensive, which was not the point of Topolovsky since he was criticizing the notion of condescending behavior against Android.
Isn't class warfare based on the issue of economics? If Topolsky felt it was more about some superficial superiority of some Apple bloggers then he should've chosen his words better and not used such an inflammatory term.
>Siegler, no one accuses you of having an opinion. But of unfair treatment.
Siegler's article is entitled 'An iPhone Lover’s Take On The Galaxy Nexus'. I don't know how you can't be prepared for what may come.
The oddity is that Topolsky took one line in the review (which is mostly positive) to get extremely angry over. Certainly there is a bias against Google in a lot of Siegler's articles but I honestly don't see it here.