Disliking Flash doesn't make me a fundamentalist. Flash is "fine" in much the same way IE 6 is "fine". Sure, it gets the job done, but who the hell enjoys using it, user or developer?
I am sorry, but every time I visit those sites on my embedded linux box I don't get much joy.
Adobe held back everyone from the web to desktops. I created the Arora web browser and countless times had 3rd party people put it on embedded devices only to turn around and ask me how to get the flash plugin working. I had no answer but to send them to Adobe and pray that they were using x86 and Adobe would be even interested in helping them and that the fee for helping wouldn't bankrupt the company.
Flash helped keep all of us on x86 more than people realize. The arm port was always a second class could you even imagine ppc or mips? And the idea of some other more radical arch? Forget it, Adobe would laugh at you for even asking. How many Linux users choose 32bit x86 (this for the OS that seems to work on everything!) for years because they knew that flash would work?
When I heard that news about its death I celebrated. I drank a beer. I would have sung a song if I was any good. While we knew it was coming having it actually set in stone was nice. The era of the web requiring flash is coming to an end and we can start to move onto interesting solutions and interesting hardware knowing that we wont have to grovel to one company hoping they will pity us and only charge us millions for a product that kills our batteries and pegs our cpu.
Disclaimer: this is my personal opinion and not of my employer.
I long for the days when I can awaken my laptop from it's peaceful sleep not to have it crash the moment I hit a youtube page in a browser tab I left paused.
As someone else who disables flash, I hope this isn't all that I am missing. These are all video/audio applications, for which non-flash implementations of the same application (Youtube, Vimeo, Apple's HTTP Live Steaming) work strictly better for me: smoother, faster to load, more responsive UI elements, more generic => more able to be optimized in the future.
Iunno, I'm not necessarily defending Flash's merits to the end user, but for the developer, AS3 along with what the Flash API provides are in many ways more advanced than even the latest browser-native technologies. Keep in mind browser implementations of canvas, css animations, audio APIs, authoring tools are still far from standardized. Of course, I look forward to when the situation improves in the coming years, but it's hardly comparable IE6 in my opinion.
That's a huge leap from the facts. There are 50,000 applications on Kongregate that happen to be made with Flash. Whether those apps would have existed without Flash is a different question. You might as well say that Microsoft Word wouldn't have existed without Xenix (since it happened to originate there), but I think probably Microsoft would have gone ahead with the DOS version anyway.
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Disliking Flash doesn't make me a fundamentalist. Flash is "fine" in much the same way IE 6 is "fine". Sure, it gets the job done, but who the hell enjoys using it, user or developer?
I do. Every time I visit YouTube. Or Hulu. Or Pandora. Or Amazon Instant Video. Or Amazon Cloud Player.
I am sorry, but every time I visit those sites on my embedded linux box I don't get much joy.
Adobe held back everyone from the web to desktops. I created the Arora web browser and countless times had 3rd party people put it on embedded devices only to turn around and ask me how to get the flash plugin working. I had no answer but to send them to Adobe and pray that they were using x86 and Adobe would be even interested in helping them and that the fee for helping wouldn't bankrupt the company.
Flash helped keep all of us on x86 more than people realize. The arm port was always a second class could you even imagine ppc or mips? And the idea of some other more radical arch? Forget it, Adobe would laugh at you for even asking. How many Linux users choose 32bit x86 (this for the OS that seems to work on everything!) for years because they knew that flash would work?
When I heard that news about its death I celebrated. I drank a beer. I would have sung a song if I was any good. While we knew it was coming having it actually set in stone was nice. The era of the web requiring flash is coming to an end and we can start to move onto interesting solutions and interesting hardware knowing that we wont have to grovel to one company hoping they will pity us and only charge us millions for a product that kills our batteries and pegs our cpu.
Disclaimer: this is my personal opinion and not of my employer.
Hear hear!
I long for the days when I can awaken my laptop from it's peaceful sleep not to have it crash the moment I hit a youtube page in a browser tab I left paused.
As someone else who disables flash, I hope this isn't all that I am missing. These are all video/audio applications, for which non-flash implementations of the same application (Youtube, Vimeo, Apple's HTTP Live Steaming) work strictly better for me: smoother, faster to load, more responsive UI elements, more generic => more able to be optimized in the future.
Iunno, I'm not necessarily defending Flash's merits to the end user, but for the developer, AS3 along with what the Flash API provides are in many ways more advanced than even the latest browser-native technologies. Keep in mind browser implementations of canvas, css animations, audio APIs, authoring tools are still far from standardized. Of course, I look forward to when the situation improves in the coming years, but it's hardly comparable IE6 in my opinion.
Um, quite possibly both.
I really hope you are not suggesting that since you apparently don't enjoy Flash therefore no one else could possibly enjoy Flash?
There's nothing wrong with programming using AS3. It's just another language and environment, and it absolutely gets the job done with minimum hassle.
Edit: always use the right tool for the job, of course.
I like Flash on Hulu and Youtube. I also am a fan of many flash games.
It has its uses.
Exactly. There are ~50,000 applications on kongregate alone that wouldn't have existed without flash. The hatred is puzzlingly ill-placed.
That's a huge leap from the facts. There are 50,000 applications on Kongregate that happen to be made with Flash. Whether those apps would have existed without Flash is a different question. You might as well say that Microsoft Word wouldn't have existed without Xenix (since it happened to originate there), but I think probably Microsoft would have gone ahead with the DOS version anyway.