As a new parent, I was planning on leaving my current stressful startup for Google, as I hear it’s must more intentional and slower paced.
Not sure what my options are now but I’m running out of steam during a recession that is projected to last for 1-2 years. I’m the sole provider for a young family and also my aging mother whom didn’t plan for retirement.
Hopefully this all blows over quickly or I can harness resolve to keep grinding it out.
No, I don’t think it will be more than a few months at most, which is why I was curious to understand why someone would think in terms of several years.
I'm not an economist, I'm just a guy, but when I look at the big picture, I see nothing but opportunity. We need more houses, which means construction and jobs. We don't have enough skilled labor, yet we have loads of people who say they want better paying jobs, IE: it's a training / skills problem and it's a pay problem, it's not entirely a bodies problem. We're at the start of a mass switchover to renewable energy in the world economy, and that's only going to mean jobs, revenue, innovation, etc. It's easier and cheaper than ever to innovate with software, meaning entrepreneurial opportunities. While college is expensive, access to education and information is borderline free, meaning more people can be more knowledgeable than at any time in history. Point is - all of these things should be economic catalysts and any recession is bound to be short-lived, especially since in the big picture the past few have all been relatively brief and there were clearer reasons for those to have occurred.
Someone will probably talk about cost of capital and that kind of thing, but there's always money sitting on the sidelines somewhere and the market has a way of adapting to these things too.
We need more houses, which means construction and jobs.
So construction needs labor but also lumber, land and financing. We don’t have the last three enough right now. We don’t have enough land to build near the bigger cities where housing is needed most, due to absurd zoning laws. We don’t have easy financing because of higher interest rates. None of these are short term problems.
Basically, I’m saying labor is unusable when you can’t actually construct.
but there's always money sitting on the sidelines somewhere
There are hundreds of new homes being planned for construction in my area, and I know this isn't the only area around the country that is the case - as I've shouted on here countless times, real estate and construction are local and trying to extrapolate them to the national picture is at best an echo of reality.
I'm already seeing new type of financing available for homebuyers in response to interest rates - think seller carry, Australian mortgages, and yes ARMs. Life finds a way and the market responds to keep deal flow going. The past few years were very special in history, and today's 5.5% 30-year fixed is still easy money by comparison.
re: That's cute but it's true - there's always someone looking to make a return. There's always someone who wants to start a business. You and me - we may not have money in our pocket, but there's a lot of money in the world and there's always someone who sees opportunity where others see danger and who will move money around to the corners that are generating a return.
there's always someone who sees opportunity where others see danger and who will move money around to the corners that are generating a return.
That makes sense. It won’t be just traditional lenders who’d be funding new investments. I hope that’s going to be enough if interest rate hikes even further.
What’s causing the shortage itself is complex. The home-building industry lost about 1.5 million workers in the Great Recession of 2007-9 and has been in a labor shortage since. Land has grown more expensive. Lending tightened for builders, just as it did for home buyers after the bubble. The cost of lumber and other materials has risen.
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As a new parent, I was planning on leaving my current stressful startup for Google, as I hear it’s must more intentional and slower paced.
Not sure what my options are now but I’m running out of steam during a recession that is projected to last for 1-2 years. I’m the sole provider for a young family and also my aging mother whom didn’t plan for retirement.
Hopefully this all blows over quickly or I can harness resolve to keep grinding it out.
What leads you to believe this will be the case?
Do you believe it will last longer?
No, I don’t think it will be more than a few months at most, which is why I was curious to understand why someone would think in terms of several years.
What makes you believe it’ll be a few months?
I'm not an economist, I'm just a guy, but when I look at the big picture, I see nothing but opportunity. We need more houses, which means construction and jobs. We don't have enough skilled labor, yet we have loads of people who say they want better paying jobs, IE: it's a training / skills problem and it's a pay problem, it's not entirely a bodies problem. We're at the start of a mass switchover to renewable energy in the world economy, and that's only going to mean jobs, revenue, innovation, etc. It's easier and cheaper than ever to innovate with software, meaning entrepreneurial opportunities. While college is expensive, access to education and information is borderline free, meaning more people can be more knowledgeable than at any time in history. Point is - all of these things should be economic catalysts and any recession is bound to be short-lived, especially since in the big picture the past few have all been relatively brief and there were clearer reasons for those to have occurred.
Someone will probably talk about cost of capital and that kind of thing, but there's always money sitting on the sidelines somewhere and the market has a way of adapting to these things too.
So construction needs labor but also lumber, land and financing. We don’t have the last three enough right now. We don’t have enough land to build near the bigger cities where housing is needed most, due to absurd zoning laws. We don’t have easy financing because of higher interest rates. None of these are short term problems.
Basically, I’m saying labor is unusable when you can’t actually construct.
That’s cute but still that’s an assumption.
There are hundreds of new homes being planned for construction in my area, and I know this isn't the only area around the country that is the case - as I've shouted on here countless times, real estate and construction are local and trying to extrapolate them to the national picture is at best an echo of reality.
I'm already seeing new type of financing available for homebuyers in response to interest rates - think seller carry, Australian mortgages, and yes ARMs. Life finds a way and the market responds to keep deal flow going. The past few years were very special in history, and today's 5.5% 30-year fixed is still easy money by comparison.
re: That's cute but it's true - there's always someone looking to make a return. There's always someone who wants to start a business. You and me - we may not have money in our pocket, but there's a lot of money in the world and there's always someone who sees opportunity where others see danger and who will move money around to the corners that are generating a return.
That makes sense. It won’t be just traditional lenders who’d be funding new investments. I hope that’s going to be enough if interest rate hikes even further.
NYTimes summarized it better [1]
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/14/upshot/housing-shortage-u...
In a similar situation myself. No option but to keep going..
Don't forget to get a really good insurance in case you lose the ability to work in the industry.
Here in the UK figures were announced today that show the economy bounced back to marginal GDP growth in May.