The original story was submitted by nomoremongo, not nmongo. The original story was very detailed and identified known problems with MongoDB. This post is a one-liner.
So prove you were the one who wrote the account in pastebin.
More evidence: nomoremongo and nmongo have some differences in their writing style. nomoremongo uses semicolons properly, nmongo does not. An even bigger difference: nmongo doesn't capitalize his Is.
Yes, i am a troll, and things have gotten a little out of hand.
Just because a story was very successful at fishing for up-votes, it doesn't have to be true, people around here need to be a lot more sceptical.
And i think everyone who truly pays attention will know by now that MongoDB is the next MySQL.
Whether you are the original poster or not, you're not a troll, you're a sociopath emboldened by anonymity.
Cloak yourself in some idealistic mission if it makes you feel good- but your mission isn't to make the point that "people around here need to be a lot more skeptical"- You're a sociopath that enjoys kicking a hornet's nest just to watch the reaction.
My intention was to troll as many hipsters as possible and make them a little more aware of how easy to manipulate they are, without even providing the slightest bit of evidence.
It cracks me up that there are startups out there right now, making foolish architecture decisions based on the FUD i'm spreading.
Start thinking for yourself!
And in the process of discrediting, you might have turned many people away from MongoDB. You actions seem irresponsible to me. Unbeknownst to you at the time of posting, I'm sure, but your blog has gone somewhat viral, and it could take 10gen a while to recover from the negative press. Did you consider this when posting?
Kudos to Eliot for coming on and answering your phony accusations. I feel sorry for him though as he has obviously spent a great deal of time in responding, when he could have been doing other important things, like fixing urgent bugs. As others have pointed out, this is the mark of a company who take very good care of their customers. Customer service is what differentiates chiefs from cowboys.
HN is an important community resource, especially for people with little startup / dev experience. I would urge you to think next time before being so irresponsible.
There are only a few comments from credible sources in this thread, and none of those had anything negative to say about MongoDB, don't believe blindly.
Interesting you characterise mongodb users as hipsters - why is that? (at the risk of engaging a troll)
We use mongodb extensively, but I get the hipster feeling also, mostly because they hold office hours at Look Mum No Hands in Old Street, which is ultra proto-hipster.
If true, you do realize that you falsely tarnished a real company and product. If this was supposed to be some lesson in verifying sources and information, I think you went about it in the wrong way. What if someone started spreading misinformation about nmongo to prove a point (even an insignificant and unrelated one), would you like that?
What exactly was a hoax? The document pasted was rather detailed and, while somewhat overblown, was obviously written by someone who knew what they were talking about. It contains a lot of criticism of design decisions by MongoDB; these are pretty common and being opinion, can't really be called a hoax.
There's also a couple of anecdotes of MongoDB supposedly failing in various ways in the author's experience. Are you saying those were fake?
Just because you submitted the document here does not mean you wrote it. Pastebin logs the document as being submitted on 5th Nov. http://pastebin.com/FD3xe6Jt
I don't buy it. I don't think nmongo wrote the doc on pastebin. Maybe I'm overrating my character-detection abilities, but it didn't smell like it was written by some immature time-wasting kid.
edit: I use mongo in prod; very much a student of the "right tool for the job" school. Not trying to add or subtract weight from the original text; ambivalence reigns supreme regarding internet nosql battles. Just saying that my possibly unreliable circuits detect quite a gulf between the original document and the OP's hysterical, caps-lock-engaged cry for attention here.
This admission has my "spider-sense" tingling also. The communication style between this guy and the author of the pastebin log seems so different.
It is plausible that someone guessed the password of nmongo's throwaway account, quickly changed that password, and then started posting the whole thing was a hoax.
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I SUBMITTED THIS STORY AND IT IS IN FACT A HOAX!
The original story was submitted by nomoremongo, not nmongo. The original story was very detailed and identified known problems with MongoDB. This post is a one-liner.
So prove you were the one who wrote the account in pastebin.
More evidence: nomoremongo and nmongo have some differences in their writing style. nomoremongo uses semicolons properly, nmongo does not. An even bigger difference: nmongo doesn't capitalize his Is.
"Maybe i already work for Fox News"
"and i am the original owner"
"based on the FUD i'm spreading"
"Yes, i am a troll"
"And i think everyone who truly"
It's a different person.
A previous discussi ("Failing on Mongo") on had nmongo asking someone to post this with a link to the pastebin.
I think you have it mixed up:
nomoremongo posted the comment at 2011-11-06T03:43:48Z: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3201772
nmongo posted the story at 2011-11-06T07:05:13Z: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3202081
Ah, but how do we know that you're not a random person who's trying to discredit the OP?
It's the same account as the person who submitted the link.
I wonder if someone guessed the password to the throwaway account. I bet it (was) either the same as the username or something like "password".
This account never had any credibility to begin with, and i am the original owner, that's the point i'm trying to make.
Have you ever heard of Gartners hype cycle? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle
Hype, fud, fact and misinformation are all part of determining which technologies succeed and which fail.
Many of HN readers have been through 2 or 3 of those cycles and have well developed instincts for spotting BS and verifying technologies.
In other world all you've really demonstrated here is you're a bit of a dick.
I hope you get sued for any loss your idiocy has caused.
You submitted an anonymous anti-mongo story under the name 'nmongo'? What was your agenda here?
and now he is openly trying to discredit himself. He is either a troll with a conscious or his cloak of anonymity is wearing thin
Yes, i am a troll, and things have gotten a little out of hand. Just because a story was very successful at fishing for up-votes, it doesn't have to be true, people around here need to be a lot more sceptical. And i think everyone who truly pays attention will know by now that MongoDB is the next MySQL.
"....i think everyone who truly pays attention will know by now that MongoDB is the next MySQL."
You are joking again?
Whether you are the original poster or not, you're not a troll, you're a sociopath emboldened by anonymity. Cloak yourself in some idealistic mission if it makes you feel good- but your mission isn't to make the point that "people around here need to be a lot more skeptical"- You're a sociopath that enjoys kicking a hornet's nest just to watch the reaction.
You're a fine troll sir. Well played.
Now please go back to digg/reddit/4chan and tout this fine accomplishment where that's accepted.
My intention was to troll as many hipsters as possible and make them a little more aware of how easy to manipulate they are, without even providing the slightest bit of evidence. It cracks me up that there are startups out there right now, making foolish architecture decisions based on the FUD i'm spreading. Start thinking for yourself!
And in the process of discrediting, you might have turned many people away from MongoDB. You actions seem irresponsible to me. Unbeknownst to you at the time of posting, I'm sure, but your blog has gone somewhat viral, and it could take 10gen a while to recover from the negative press. Did you consider this when posting?
Kudos to Eliot for coming on and answering your phony accusations. I feel sorry for him though as he has obviously spent a great deal of time in responding, when he could have been doing other important things, like fixing urgent bugs. As others have pointed out, this is the mark of a company who take very good care of their customers. Customer service is what differentiates chiefs from cowboys.
HN is an important community resource, especially for people with little startup / dev experience. I would urge you to think next time before being so irresponsible.
There are only a few comments from credible sources in this thread, and none of those had anything negative to say about MongoDB, don't believe blindly.
It´s worth asking. Zed?
I agree, Zed would post under his own name.
Zed has the balls to post stuff under his own name.
Interesting you characterise mongodb users as hipsters - why is that? (at the risk of engaging a troll)
We use mongodb extensively, but I get the hipster feeling also, mostly because they hold office hours at Look Mum No Hands in Old Street, which is ultra proto-hipster.
I think he was more pointing the finger at HN in general.
My karma: 160 Account created 552 days ago
nmongo's karma: 678 Account created 1 day ago.
No one made any architecture decisions in the few hours this was a story. You managed to cause a dustup and come out looking like a sociopath.
Did you intend the flurry of "mee too" comments?
You have too much time on your hands.
Hacker News used to be a place where serious and somewhat time poor programmers gather to exchange ideas and learn from one another in good faith.
We are certainly not here to listen to some dumbfuck spread misinformation.
You should have known better.
Consider joining Fox News. But I'm not sure if they'll stoop this low.
Kind regards.
Dude, was the Fox News ad hominem necessary? This doesn't look like Reddit...
When I was about 14, I was cocky as hell. Finally I was given a dressing down. Best thing that happened to me.
Maybe i already work for Fox News, or even Oracle... That's the whole point, don't be gullible, question everything!
If true, you do realize that you falsely tarnished a real company and product. If this was supposed to be some lesson in verifying sources and information, I think you went about it in the wrong way. What if someone started spreading misinformation about nmongo to prove a point (even an insignificant and unrelated one), would you like that?
You could do better if you thought about your actions. The boy who cried wolf had his fun laughing off the villagers - "question everything." he said.
asshat
Then you are, in fact, a douche.
What exactly was a hoax? The document pasted was rather detailed and, while somewhat overblown, was obviously written by someone who knew what they were talking about. It contains a lot of criticism of design decisions by MongoDB; these are pretty common and being opinion, can't really be called a hoax.
There's also a couple of anecdotes of MongoDB supposedly failing in various ways in the author's experience. Are you saying those were fake?
Just because you submitted the document here does not mean you wrote it. Pastebin logs the document as being submitted on 5th Nov. http://pastebin.com/FD3xe6Jt
I don't buy it. I don't think nmongo wrote the doc on pastebin. Maybe I'm overrating my character-detection abilities, but it didn't smell like it was written by some immature time-wasting kid.
edit: I use mongo in prod; very much a student of the "right tool for the job" school. Not trying to add or subtract weight from the original text; ambivalence reigns supreme regarding internet nosql battles. Just saying that my possibly unreliable circuits detect quite a gulf between the original document and the OP's hysterical, caps-lock-engaged cry for attention here.
This admission has my "spider-sense" tingling also. The communication style between this guy and the author of the pastebin log seems so different.
It is plausible that someone guessed the password of nmongo's throwaway account, quickly changed that password, and then started posting the whole thing was a hoax.
It's hilarious how all my attempts to make people aware of this story being a hoax are flagged or buried, spreading FUD is so much easier.