...is there any lisp that can be used for systems programming and that does NOT produce huge binaries, does not use GC, generates fast n small binaries and is still interactive? everyone claims lisp can be used for anything, same goes for forths, but i cant see a lisp like that, and about forths...none of the free ones are fast, and the fast ones are still slow
on the same note, lets say if someone is creating something[i am thinking of] like this, what would be a better option, go the forth way or the lisp way
cuz both offer same stuff to some extent
obviously no, we dont care about a language that was once used in a machine specifically for it, cuz we cant go in past and program in that specific machine.
i think ive realised what is up with lisps, forths, etc. theoretically you can build all kinds of beautiful abstractions over it and use them for anything
but in reality these languages cant do that and/or their communities dont care to implement it/its not their goal
it might sound bad but it is what it is
if i would have to say it in a worse way,
these languages are all talk
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All of this is already done in Lisp. Greenspun's 10th rule.
...is there any lisp that can be used for systems programming and that does NOT produce huge binaries, does not use GC, generates fast n small binaries and is still interactive? everyone claims lisp can be used for anything, same goes for forths, but i cant see a lisp like that, and about forths...none of the free ones are fast, and the fast ones are still slow
on the same note, lets say if someone is creating something[i am thinking of] like this, what would be a better option, go the forth way or the lisp way cuz both offer same stuff to some extent
I mean there was a "lisp machine" in the distant past that actually ran lisp on metal. Does that count?
obviously no, we dont care about a language that was once used in a machine specifically for it, cuz we cant go in past and program in that specific machine.
i think ive realised what is up with lisps, forths, etc. theoretically you can build all kinds of beautiful abstractions over it and use them for anything
but in reality these languages cant do that and/or their communities dont care to implement it/its not their goal
it might sound bad but it is what it is
if i would have to say it in a worse way, these languages are all talk