Sounds too dumb to be true. Especially since they were found out. There’s a message way above says “this link has been shared in public chats, please only share with friends.” And they go on recruiting more and more.
Yes, but I feel like the telegram channel is trolling based on that fact.
Is there any basis for these marks? Is it a common military practice? How was this done before internet existed? I just can’t understand what’s the point? What do you gain my marking trees and 10x10 meter flat lands? Can’t you just figure that out from a topological map and google earth? Russia probably still has all of the maps from the soviet times. Plus they can take pics from the satellite or planes.
What i have to say is mostly my own speculation, though based on what was posted in these channels said by MoD and other relevant sources. Take with a pound of salt.
Marks take several forms:
- There are fluorescent marks on paved surfaces and rooftops, as well as road signs bent upwards, which likely denote flat ground to land on, potentially.
- There are radar beacons, which presumably mark targets for further recognition through UAVs and shelling, or are somehow to be used for landings.
- There are strips of reflective tape, placed on building walls and lamp posts, which are almost certainly meant to aid navigation of troops on the ground.
- There are retroreflective survey markers, which are either used for navigation or are there just as a desinformation/fear induction method.
I have no clue if this kind of marks had any precedents, but it seems to be a necessary aid for navigation by paper maps:
- Road signs and asking civilians will not help, since those are actively taken down or can be deliberately misdirectional.
- Glonass is presumably to costly to equip everyone, or they just want a fallback.
- Things like safe places to land a helicopter can be extremely hard to deduce from satellite imagery and such and thus require a spotter on the ground and a way to designate a spot - thus, marks.
- This might also be a way to turn the eagerness to help of the civilian population against themselves by indirectly flooding phone lines of police and such with marker reports and all the paranoia associated with trying to find collaborationists and their marks.
new tech always tends to enable other new tech. also, maybe previously they depended more on deep infiltration by their own people in civilian clothes - those are also very active all around ukraine and actually they started showing up months before the invasion started. just 40-50yo dudes with very plain clothes and backpacks walking around the city. quite noticeable for locals that something was off about them. sadly the government or intelligence service didn't recognize the threat and take them out quick enough.
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Sounds too dumb to be true. Especially since they were found out. There’s a message way above says “this link has been shared in public chats, please only share with friends.” And they go on recruiting more and more.
The Ukrainian MoD is officially saying to detain people laying markers and signs, so I don't think it's untrue.
Yes, but I feel like the telegram channel is trolling based on that fact.
Is there any basis for these marks? Is it a common military practice? How was this done before internet existed? I just can’t understand what’s the point? What do you gain my marking trees and 10x10 meter flat lands? Can’t you just figure that out from a topological map and google earth? Russia probably still has all of the maps from the soviet times. Plus they can take pics from the satellite or planes.
What i have to say is mostly my own speculation, though based on what was posted in these channels said by MoD and other relevant sources. Take with a pound of salt. Marks take several forms:
- There are fluorescent marks on paved surfaces and rooftops, as well as road signs bent upwards, which likely denote flat ground to land on, potentially.
- There are radar beacons, which presumably mark targets for further recognition through UAVs and shelling, or are somehow to be used for landings.
- There are strips of reflective tape, placed on building walls and lamp posts, which are almost certainly meant to aid navigation of troops on the ground.
- There are retroreflective survey markers, which are either used for navigation or are there just as a desinformation/fear induction method.
I have no clue if this kind of marks had any precedents, but it seems to be a necessary aid for navigation by paper maps:
- Road signs and asking civilians will not help, since those are actively taken down or can be deliberately misdirectional.
- Glonass is presumably to costly to equip everyone, or they just want a fallback.
- Things like safe places to land a helicopter can be extremely hard to deduce from satellite imagery and such and thus require a spotter on the ground and a way to designate a spot - thus, marks.
- This might also be a way to turn the eagerness to help of the civilian population against themselves by indirectly flooding phone lines of police and such with marker reports and all the paranoia associated with trying to find collaborationists and their marks.
I don't know, but from my experience driving around foreign cities... navigation is not easy? Even without people shooting at me.
new tech always tends to enable other new tech. also, maybe previously they depended more on deep infiltration by their own people in civilian clothes - those are also very active all around ukraine and actually they started showing up months before the invasion started. just 40-50yo dudes with very plain clothes and backpacks walking around the city. quite noticeable for locals that something was off about them. sadly the government or intelligence service didn't recognize the threat and take them out quick enough.