>But if you are saying that there is no test for AI, you are just basically defining AI as an impossibility.
What I'm saying is that to evaluate AI you need I (artificial or otherwise).
So I don't think random permutations will ever get you there, because if we ever manage to write the fitness function, we are almost there anyway. (And no one knows how to do that.)
Maybe one day all of humanity will take part in the great AI race, and every person will help evaluate AI's to find the best one. I'm not sure it'll be enough though, you simply need far far too many permutations for it to ever work.
It would be interesting to use say WoW as a test bed for AI, make sure it always joins a team and see how good you can make it (emphasize the helping other members of the team part). Then send it to second life.
But, I still don't think it'll ever be enough. In particular it'll never be able to design for creativity.
With all the searching and interactions on the internet these days I think there will be plenty of feedback from humans to develop AI if it can be done.
I know about the Turing test, but it will never be able to test for creativity. Only basic speech - and that's not enough to launch the singularity which require a machine that can invent.
It isn't just basic speech. It is whatever is required to convince the examiner that the subject is a human. You could ask the subject for some creative input on a particular topic. That is allowed under the Turing test.
I think that creativity in solving a task is actually quite amenable to automation for a Turing-passing program. Generate a whole bunch of 'ideas' by combining existing concepts in different ways and then test them for usefulness. (Now imagine doing this with a million different Turing processes on your desktop computer - I think there would be some pretty creative ideas generated.) If the program can't tell if an idea is good or at least OK then it is never going to pass the Turing test.
If you are talking about creative in the sense of 'amuses humans' like music or art then the computer is of course at a huge, unfair and pointless disadvantage.
If a program can complete the Turing test then it is likely it will already be a lot smarter than the examiner.
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>But if you are saying that there is no test for AI, you are just basically defining AI as an impossibility.
What I'm saying is that to evaluate AI you need I (artificial or otherwise).
So I don't think random permutations will ever get you there, because if we ever manage to write the fitness function, we are almost there anyway. (And no one knows how to do that.)
Maybe one day all of humanity will take part in the great AI race, and every person will help evaluate AI's to find the best one. I'm not sure it'll be enough though, you simply need far far too many permutations for it to ever work.
It would be interesting to use say WoW as a test bed for AI, make sure it always joins a team and see how good you can make it (emphasize the helping other members of the team part). Then send it to second life.
But, I still don't think it'll ever be enough. In particular it'll never be able to design for creativity.
You do know aboutthe Turing test right?
With all the searching and interactions on the internet these days I think there will be plenty of feedback from humans to develop AI if it can be done.
I know about the Turing test, but it will never be able to test for creativity. Only basic speech - and that's not enough to launch the singularity which require a machine that can invent.
It isn't just basic speech. It is whatever is required to convince the examiner that the subject is a human. You could ask the subject for some creative input on a particular topic. That is allowed under the Turing test.
I think that creativity in solving a task is actually quite amenable to automation for a Turing-passing program. Generate a whole bunch of 'ideas' by combining existing concepts in different ways and then test them for usefulness. (Now imagine doing this with a million different Turing processes on your desktop computer - I think there would be some pretty creative ideas generated.) If the program can't tell if an idea is good or at least OK then it is never going to pass the Turing test.
If you are talking about creative in the sense of 'amuses humans' like music or art then the computer is of course at a huge, unfair and pointless disadvantage.
If a program can complete the Turing test then it is likely it will already be a lot smarter than the examiner.