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Hello moderator dang. Please, as well as chastize, can you help correct the situation? It'd be great if you'd help re-inform viewers along the way.
Mode choice, substitution patterns and environmental impacts of shared and personal micro-mobility seems to be the original title.
I was originally going to leave my comments at this. But I reviewed the article a little further. This is a different topic, but personally I did not find the title editorialized heavily. I found this quote fairly quickly within the above-the-fold abstract, which seems 100% in-line with what the "editorialized" title was:
Substitution patterns reveal that personal e-scooters and e-bikes emit less CO2 than the transport modes they replace, while shared e-scooters and e-bikes emit more CO2 than the transport modes they replace.
This seems to be the key finding of the study, according to the abstract.
It resounds with some fears I have. From personal experience, I cry a little when I see a pickup or full-sized van with 3+ generators going down the street with a couple score of scooters charging. I'm still very very doubtful this micromobility really is worse than a full sized vehicle, but for sure, the way we charge these devices is very very shit & sub-optimal & the environmental impacts are dozens of times higher than they ought to be. I'd like to see civic systems with better charging infrastructure.
I'm now three times removed from my original comments & intent, so, apologies apologies apologies. I also am rate limited here though, so this is just how I have to operate. Being unable to reply properly is how I have been forced to live for years.
Quadruple & pentuple apologies, readers. I simply cannot help but express some truths as I neander along.
At first I thought the article would be about the vans and charging methods undermining the potential sustainability, but it doesn't even mention that and more so points out that the majority of users were previously doing things that used less emissions.
For that segment of the population, it's more analogous to going from horse and buggy to gasoline cars. The autonomy increased and more trips were made.
I'm still very very doubtful this micromobility really is worse than a full sized vehicle
its only worse if the users were never going to use a full sized vehicle. which the article is saying the majority of users never were. thats why its "worse", for emissions, because the trips weren't going to be made using something else with more emissions, or weren't going to be made at all. the article isn't drawing any conclusion about the benefits of mobility, just giving data where there was an abscence of data.
Usually we replace the title with one that conforms to HN's rules, so in principle yes. I can't remember why I didn't do that in this case. Sometimes it's because the thread was so dominated by the original title that the discussion doesn't seem salvageable (I'm not sure if that was the case here—I haven't re-checked.)
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This title was egregiously editorialized. Please don't to that—it's against the site guidelines:
"Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize." (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html)
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I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to do that. I’ll approach it differently next time.
Appreciated!
Hello moderator dang. Please, as well as chastize, can you help correct the situation? It'd be great if you'd help re-inform viewers along the way.
Mode choice, substitution patterns and environmental impacts of shared and personal micro-mobility seems to be the original title.
I was originally going to leave my comments at this. But I reviewed the article a little further. This is a different topic, but personally I did not find the title editorialized heavily. I found this quote fairly quickly within the above-the-fold abstract, which seems 100% in-line with what the "editorialized" title was:
This seems to be the key finding of the study, according to the abstract.
It resounds with some fears I have. From personal experience, I cry a little when I see a pickup or full-sized van with 3+ generators going down the street with a couple score of scooters charging. I'm still very very doubtful this micromobility really is worse than a full sized vehicle, but for sure, the way we charge these devices is very very shit & sub-optimal & the environmental impacts are dozens of times higher than they ought to be. I'd like to see civic systems with better charging infrastructure.
I'm now three times removed from my original comments & intent, so, apologies apologies apologies. I also am rate limited here though, so this is just how I have to operate. Being unable to reply properly is how I have been forced to live for years.
Quadruple & pentuple apologies, readers. I simply cannot help but express some truths as I neander along.
At first I thought the article would be about the vans and charging methods undermining the potential sustainability, but it doesn't even mention that and more so points out that the majority of users were previously doing things that used less emissions.
For that segment of the population, it's more analogous to going from horse and buggy to gasoline cars. The autonomy increased and more trips were made.
its only worse if the users were never going to use a full sized vehicle. which the article is saying the majority of users never were. thats why its "worse", for emissions, because the trips weren't going to be made using something else with more emissions, or weren't going to be made at all. the article isn't drawing any conclusion about the benefits of mobility, just giving data where there was an abscence of data.
Usually we replace the title with one that conforms to HN's rules, so in principle yes. I can't remember why I didn't do that in this case. Sometimes it's because the thread was so dominated by the original title that the discussion doesn't seem salvageable (I'm not sure if that was the case here—I haven't re-checked.)
This is exactly what was going thru my brain. Thanks.