"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
-Sinclair
Regardless of the above quote, I do not accuse them of lying. But there's a strong elementy of hypocrisy and fanboyism, both in supporting Apple almost all the time, and screaming bloody murder and abject criticism of any moves by Apple's competitors.
Do you seriously think analysis by Asymco, Gruber and Marco regarding Apple are the flawless gospel truth?
The fallacy you mention would apply more to the accusations of commenters being paid MS shills, which happens all the time here on HN too.
Do you seriously think analysis by Asymco, Gruber and Marco regarding Apple are the flawless gospel truth?
Why would I have to believe that in order to respect their opinions? I’m not going to sink to the level and just attack them without actually engaging with their arguments. They are coherent and they have arguments, they deserve a response and not just blind attacks.
I’m not sure what any accusations (So, when did that happen?) have to do with that.
>They are coherent and they have arguments, they deserve a response and not just blind attacks.
The OP is a good example of this. Asymco's wrong many times and whenever it's wrong it's seems to have erred on the side of Apple. Still, the headlines draw interest and page views. What does that tell you?
If it was Google or MS instead of Apple there, Gruber would be screaming bloody murder about wilful manipulation of the law to further their ends and harm Apple's ascendancy. Am I wrong?
Since it is Apple, it is just 'one image' and 'sloppy lawyering'. Very predictable even before you read it. This is the opinion that we are all supposed to respect?
It's called spin, or a very biased opinion that needs to be taken with a spoon of salt. It's as close to Apple PR as you can get, aimed at a very specific audience.
Gruber generally never screams bloody murder. You also should never read him expecting an unbiased opinion of Google. That’s not the value proposition and it never was.
It’s very weird what you expect of Gruber. It just doesn’t make any sense.
>It’s very weird what you expect of Gruber. It just doesn’t make any sense.
Just a little more honesty and less hypocrisy would certainly help. As the OP said, those sites are more like sports team fanboy sites or political mouthpieces tailored to the audience/readers.
By "disagrees with you" I mean one can find more examples of you complaining about it happening than of it actually happening.
Even CamperBob's comment is (in context) referring to commenters on sites like InformationWeek. Even if we generously interpret it as meaning what you say, the idea that it "happens all the time on HN" is a stretch.
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"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" -Sinclair
Regardless of the above quote, I do not accuse them of lying. But there's a strong elementy of hypocrisy and fanboyism, both in supporting Apple almost all the time, and screaming bloody murder and abject criticism of any moves by Apple's competitors.
Do you seriously think analysis by Asymco, Gruber and Marco regarding Apple are the flawless gospel truth?
The fallacy you mention would apply more to the accusations of commenters being paid MS shills, which happens all the time here on HN too.
Do you seriously think analysis by Asymco, Gruber and Marco regarding Apple are the flawless gospel truth?
Why would I have to believe that in order to respect their opinions? I’m not going to sink to the level and just attack them without actually engaging with their arguments. They are coherent and they have arguments, they deserve a response and not just blind attacks.
I’m not sure what any accusations (So, when did that happen?) have to do with that.
>They are coherent and they have arguments, they deserve a response and not just blind attacks.
The OP is a good example of this. Asymco's wrong many times and whenever it's wrong it's seems to have erred on the side of Apple. Still, the headlines draw interest and page views. What does that tell you?
For example, lets take this post. http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/08/15/apple-samsung-im...
If it was Google or MS instead of Apple there, Gruber would be screaming bloody murder about wilful manipulation of the law to further their ends and harm Apple's ascendancy. Am I wrong?
Since it is Apple, it is just 'one image' and 'sloppy lawyering'. Very predictable even before you read it. This is the opinion that we are all supposed to respect?
It's called spin, or a very biased opinion that needs to be taken with a spoon of salt. It's as close to Apple PR as you can get, aimed at a very specific audience.
Gruber generally never screams bloody murder. You also should never read him expecting an unbiased opinion of Google. That’s not the value proposition and it never was.
It’s very weird what you expect of Gruber. It just doesn’t make any sense.
>It’s very weird what you expect of Gruber. It just doesn’t make any sense.
Just a little more honesty and less hypocrisy would certainly help. As the OP said, those sites are more like sports team fanboy sites or political mouthpieces tailored to the audience/readers.
To go off on a funny tangent:
Well, maybe I just don't get it unless I am in the RDF myself. http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/17/bbc-loving-apple-looks-like-a...
That is why maybe all those sites feels weird to me but seem perfectly fine to many others!
Yeah, those crazy lunatics! Let’s smile smugly and ignore their incoherent rambling!
accusations of commenters being paid MS shills, which happens all the time here on HN
hnsearch disagrees with you.
From HN search:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2855328
By "disagrees with you" I mean one can find more examples of you complaining about it happening than of it actually happening.
Even CamperBob's comment is (in context) referring to commenters on sites like InformationWeek. Even if we generously interpret it as meaning what you say, the idea that it "happens all the time on HN" is a stretch.