Why not just call them out for the bad things and support the good things? Assuming everything will inevitably go bad at some point is (a) false and (b) misses the point: While Amazon carries the Open Search torch right now, at any point in the future everyone else can contribute.
They do deserve credit for stepping in to help even if it does support their own profit margins. Profit in itself isn't evil.
Why not just call them out for the bad things and support the good things?
Not just calling them out, Even punishing them(fines) for their mistakes is not even a slap on their wrist at their scale we've seen this happening time and again with all Mega Corps.
There's just no incentive to not do something evil.
So extraordinary scrutiny for every single action seems to be the optimal approach until the governments decide to break Mega Corps. into smaller companies which can actually get hurt from punishments.
They're a huge company. If you want to attack you need to be able to identify where they are acting badly and strike at that weakness. Calling the whole thing an evil empire isn't going to make any progress: your attacks are easily fended off.
If you want to attack you need to be able to identify where they are acting badly and strike at that weakness.
Can you give an example?
> Even punishing them(fines) for their mistakes is not even a slap on their wrist at their scale we've seen this happening time and again
If this wasn't true then there wouldn't be sub-list for every wrongdoing spanning decades[1] i.e. If the punishments achieved it's purpose we wouldn't see continued offenses under same category.
Forcing employees to pee in bottles is pretty bad.
If the punishments achieved it's purpose we wouldn't see continued offenses under same category.
Hah, the notion that punishments always work is funny. Good one. Try that on your kids. Look, making a punishment bigger may or may not help. I don't know about that. You can't just fine them out of existence for no reason, however. Bezos isn't Jack Ma and this isn't China.
Forcing employees to pee in bottles is pretty bad.
Yes it is(Like dozens of other things listed in that Wiki), But I didn't ask that. I wanted to know how do you suggest we strike at 'the weakness of Amazon' to fix it (Like you suggested) that it treats it's employees with dignity and respect after that?
Because IMO if there's anything, It could have been done when Amazon's mistreatment of its workers surfaced way back in 2001.
Hah, the notion that punishments always work is funny. Good one. Try that on your kids.
That's the point of punishments, isn't it? Just calling them out is convenient but does nothing.
Look, making a punishment bigger may or may not help.
That's the whole point. They're too big for any punishments, Hence qualified people have been arguing that private companies shouldn't get that big(It undermines the basic tenants of democracy reg accumulation of power); But unfortunately those who can take action about it are also getting big thanks to $AMZN.
however. Bezos isn't Jack Ma and this isn't China.
> Calling the whole thing an evil empire isn't going to make any progress: your attacks are easily fended off.
I wanted to know how do you suggest we strike at 'the weakness of Amazon' to fix it (Like you suggested) that it treats it's employees with dignity and respect after that?
You call them out for the individual wrongs like those listed on the Wikipedia page. Vote with your wallet. Debate and discuss.
They're too big for any punishments
I don't agree with that. No company survives forever.
Jack Ma & China
The US is not going to fine Amazon out of business like the CCP did to Jack Ma. The CCP is evil, not the people. Their crackdown on people's ability to freely debate and discuss just shoots the country's most valuable asset, its people, in its own foot over in over in order to maintain footholds for a relatively small group controlling the party. Any creative ideas are squashed. If the CCP would let up they would give rise to a new generation of ingenuity in China. Of course some CCP members might face criticism for that. It's up to them to decide whether or not to move in that direction. Nobody likes to be on the receiving end of criticism and you need to be strong to take it.
The East India Company was rightly criticized for holding trade monopolies that were later abolished. It's fair to consider whether a company the size of Amazon also has some monopolies and to ask the FTC to investigate or act.
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Why not just call them out for the bad things and support the good things? Assuming everything will inevitably go bad at some point is (a) false and (b) misses the point: While Amazon carries the Open Search torch right now, at any point in the future everyone else can contribute.
They do deserve credit for stepping in to help even if it does support their own profit margins. Profit in itself isn't evil.
Not just calling them out, Even punishing them(fines) for their mistakes is not even a slap on their wrist at their scale we've seen this happening time and again with all Mega Corps.
There's just no incentive to not do something evil.
So extraordinary scrutiny for every single action seems to be the optimal approach until the governments decide to break Mega Corps. into smaller companies which can actually get hurt from punishments.
They're a huge company. If you want to attack you need to be able to identify where they are acting badly and strike at that weakness. Calling the whole thing an evil empire isn't going to make any progress: your attacks are easily fended off.
Can you give an example?
If this wasn't true then there wouldn't be sub-list for every wrongdoing spanning decades[1] i.e. If the punishments achieved it's purpose we wouldn't see continued offenses under same category.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amazon
Forcing employees to pee in bottles is pretty bad.
Hah, the notion that punishments always work is funny. Good one. Try that on your kids. Look, making a punishment bigger may or may not help. I don't know about that. You can't just fine them out of existence for no reason, however. Bezos isn't Jack Ma and this isn't China.
Yes it is(Like dozens of other things listed in that Wiki), But I didn't ask that. I wanted to know how do you suggest we strike at 'the weakness of Amazon' to fix it (Like you suggested) that it treats it's employees with dignity and respect after that?
Because IMO if there's anything, It could have been done when Amazon's mistreatment of its workers surfaced way back in 2001.
That's the point of punishments, isn't it? Just calling them out is convenient but does nothing.
That's the whole point. They're too big for any punishments, Hence qualified people have been arguing that private companies shouldn't get that big(It undermines the basic tenants of democracy reg accumulation of power); But unfortunately those who can take action about it are also getting big thanks to $AMZN.
You call them out for the individual wrongs like those listed on the Wikipedia page. Vote with your wallet. Debate and discuss.
I don't agree with that. No company survives forever.
The US is not going to fine Amazon out of business like the CCP did to Jack Ma. The CCP is evil, not the people. Their crackdown on people's ability to freely debate and discuss just shoots the country's most valuable asset, its people, in its own foot over in over in order to maintain footholds for a relatively small group controlling the party. Any creative ideas are squashed. If the CCP would let up they would give rise to a new generation of ingenuity in China. Of course some CCP members might face criticism for that. It's up to them to decide whether or not to move in that direction. Nobody likes to be on the receiving end of criticism and you need to be strong to take it.
It's been happening at least since 2001, Starting with layoffs and now it has to come to -
I agree, 'East India company' just survived for 273 years and people who ever affected by it are still suffering several generations later.
The East India Company was rightly criticized for holding trade monopolies that were later abolished. It's fair to consider whether a company the size of Amazon also has some monopolies and to ask the FTC to investigate or act.