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You can easily define + on natural numbers and * on integer numbers without running into problems! Thus there is no cirularity here.

I understand very well that the peano axioms for example are logical and not circular.

My point was that I think your explanation relies on the experience on what a number is, having used those equations before with the terms actually representing real numbers (such as 3 + 2 = 5 instead of a + x = b and sin(180) = 0 instead of sin(x) = 0).

So as a definition of what a number is it's circular as you presume experience with numbers and what they mean.

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