klochner on If you gaze into nil, nil gazes also into you

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andand doesn't seem any different than using try(:method), which is defined in Rails 2.3+ for the Object class:

  > nil.try(:name)                     #==> nil
  > User.first.try(:name)              #==>"john doe"
  > nil.try(:name).try(:upcase)        #==> nil
  > User.first.try(:name).try(:upcase) #==>"JOHN DOE"

raganwald 15y

It's a question of taste. Some people's taste works like this: If it's in Rails, it must be the right thing to use. Other people's taste works like this: #try is simpler than #andand, and simpler is better. Others prefer andand's more natural syntax regardless.

For example, I prefer #andand's syntax for methods with parameters:

  User.first.andand.max_attempts = 5
  Phone.first.andand.dial(last_number)

#andand handles methods with blocks:

  Supervisor.first.andand.oversee do
    ...
  End

foo.andand.into { ... } is a common pattern, so #andand bakes it in:

  Student.where( ... ).first.andand { |valedictorian| ... }

For some strange reason, I feel like I've been using it longer than anybody alive on the planet.

DanielRibeiro 15y

Thanks for pointing out the try method (it is important to note that it is avaible to anyone using Active Support, not only Rails apps).

It is mildly different (syntax mostly). All of these are attempts to recreate the elvis operator tha Groovy[1] (nowadays present as the The Existential Operator in Coffescript[2]) have.

For better chaining, the Maybe monad can be implemented in Ruby[3]. However they really shine on Haskell and Scala because they have, respectively, do notation and for comprehensions, which effectively work (on this restricted case of handling nulls) as a scope were nulls are ignored.

Doing this with ruby is possible, but requires AST metaprogramming[4], which is the sort of thing that LISP macros do (and is quite suitable to accomplish in LISP[6], as it is homoiconic[5], while Ruby isn't).

[1] http://groovy.codehaus.org/Operators#Operators-ElvisOperator...

[2] http://jashkenas.github.com/coffee-script/#operators

[3] http://pretheory.wordpress.com/2008/02/14/the-maybe-monad-in...

[4] http://metaphysicaldeveloper.wordpress.com/2010/10/31/rubyun...

[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoiconicity

[6] http://onclojure.com/2009/03/06/a-monad-tutorial-for-clojure...

klochner 15y

Thanks for the links. Some ruby food for thought . . .

  > x = nil || 5                   #behaviorally equivalent to elvis?
  > [nil,4,3].compact.map(&:to_s)  #null-ignored scope

DanielRibeiro 15y

You are welcome. The second line is the essential notion of Maybe monad as a restriction of the Sequence monad (Some of x works like [x] and None works like [], using ruby's [] notation for lists).

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