Speaking as someone who has been running MTAs for more than 15 years - Microsoft has been breaking e-mail for years. They are an order of magnitude more awful than anyone else, and no one should have their e-mail with them for any reason.
Imagine if this was turned around, and simultaneously a huge chunk of the world instantly black-holed Office 365 outbound email.
Then in response to the roaring noise from Redmond, simply send back their canned response of "Not qualified for mitigation. Our investigation has determined that the above IP(s) do not qualify for mitigation."
Do that for 24 hours, then 48 hours, and so on until they smarten up.
I guarantee you they'll have their CEO breathing down the necks of every moron in the spam filter team until they fix it.
Until then? Nothing will happen. Nothing at all. We'll complain on YC News, we'll complain on /r/sysadmin, and a bunch of small businesses will go out of business. Microsoft 365 will continue to grow to consume the world. Email will be rebranded "Teams Mail", and as far as everyone is concerned that will make perfect sense.
Either we act, or we live with the consequences of inaction.
LOL.. watch what happens when you try and suddenly the government labels you as a domestic terrorist group because they are so heavily invested in Microsoft, and it actually helps the government to collect intelligence to only have a few approved conglomerate email providers.
Collectivist action is great, when it's great. But with it comes all the usual ossification problems. (For a collective to have power others have to give it to them. Either the collective manages to secure a monopoly, like the various professional licensing/accreditation bodies, legal bar association, medical residency programs with fixed number of slots. Or stakeholders - companies, professionals, regulators - have to join the collective and give up at least some of their independence during the process.)
Yes, email is kind of important. But it's also pretty shoddy. It always has been. (Confidentiality, integrity, authentication, signed receipt of delivery. All are important for regular business correspondence and by default all were [and still are] hit and miss with email.)
This practice of MS of not accepting email might be abuse of market power. But they can easily say their clients signed up for Outlook to have exactly this protection. What would the courts think? Who knows.
Comments
Speaking as someone who has been running MTAs for more than 15 years - Microsoft has been breaking e-mail for years. They are an order of magnitude more awful than anyone else, and no one should have their e-mail with them for any reason.
See also (recent): https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/all/ho...
This is why IT should unionise, or form a guild.
Imagine if this was turned around, and simultaneously a huge chunk of the world instantly black-holed Office 365 outbound email.
Then in response to the roaring noise from Redmond, simply send back their canned response of "Not qualified for mitigation. Our investigation has determined that the above IP(s) do not qualify for mitigation."
Do that for 24 hours, then 48 hours, and so on until they smarten up.
I guarantee you they'll have their CEO breathing down the necks of every moron in the spam filter team until they fix it.
Until then? Nothing will happen. Nothing at all. We'll complain on YC News, we'll complain on /r/sysadmin, and a bunch of small businesses will go out of business. Microsoft 365 will continue to grow to consume the world. Email will be rebranded "Teams Mail", and as far as everyone is concerned that will make perfect sense.
Either we act, or we live with the consequences of inaction.
LOL.. watch what happens when you try and suddenly the government labels you as a domestic terrorist group because they are so heavily invested in Microsoft, and it actually helps the government to collect intelligence to only have a few approved conglomerate email providers.
"It's only terrorism if the little guy does it to the big fish. The other way around, we call that capitalism."
Collectivist action is great, when it's great. But with it comes all the usual ossification problems. (For a collective to have power others have to give it to them. Either the collective manages to secure a monopoly, like the various professional licensing/accreditation bodies, legal bar association, medical residency programs with fixed number of slots. Or stakeholders - companies, professionals, regulators - have to join the collective and give up at least some of their independence during the process.)
Yes, email is kind of important. But it's also pretty shoddy. It always has been. (Confidentiality, integrity, authentication, signed receipt of delivery. All are important for regular business correspondence and by default all were [and still are] hit and miss with email.)
This practice of MS of not accepting email might be abuse of market power. But they can easily say their clients signed up for Outlook to have exactly this protection. What would the courts think? Who knows.
It all started with top-posting, and went downhill from there.