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I'd argue the messy tooling they've been producing has probably been net negative value add to their community.

I feel the same way. It has definitely hurt the ecosystem.

Every Clojure IDE, for example, has to support a new deps/build system that is still a WIP and doesn't come with batteries.

Start a REPL; connect to it. That's identical for every single editor/IDE. The problem is that editor plugin maintainers seem reluctant to encourage developers to start REPLs manually so they have to deal with the whole issue of "how to start a REPL" -- which should be up to the developer, not the tool.

I run REPLs for weeks, sometimes months, so I don't want my editor to start my REPL since my editor is going to get restarted a lot more often than my REPLs!

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