Some channels I was in on Freenode were hesitant to move, but they were then taken over by Freenode staff in the wave of channel hijackings (for example, because they had topics like "We're discussing whether to move to Libera, please <bla>") which expedited the move for all of them.
Well, one and a half; I don't think #freenode counts (for obvious reasons) and #forth is bridged into #forth at libera.chat. The only channel left on that list of three is #techrights which I'm not personally familiar with.
Regarding #techrights, reading some of the comments from http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-290521.htm... aimed at libera.chat gives me the real creeps. They seem to come from a person and/or people who have a black-and-white vision of some aspects of the world to the point of sheer fanaticism. It's scary.
Some "mentionworthy" quotes:
> Libera chat: yeah, let's just show how "liber" we are by outsourcing our 1) site code 2) site hosting 3) projects to a bunch of criminals who badmouth and bribe to undermine #freesw
> The free in #freenode stands for freedom. The Liber in Libera Chat stands for (neo) liberal.
> Libera chat is all #microsoft (technially), except the IRC daemons.
> Libre chat: we don't know how to set up and manage a git server (funny that, even I can do that... with little experience) but trust us to run a whole IRC network...
> All you mindless fanatics who flock over to libera.chat (185.199.110.153), be aware that they have outsourced to #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly ( cdn-185-199-110-153.github.com ). So they don't exactly value freedom or "libera"... it's just shallow rhetoric. Because it's an ego think against #freenode
If that's one of the main channels performing Freenode support, I'm getting convinced that I made a good move by jumping off Freenode.
Some of that is moderately disturbing but I think if there's anything we can learn from this episode it's that the company running the network barely matters provided they're not just kicking everyone for some reason.
Agreed. The main role of the network, as with any service provider, is being transparent to the functioning of the communities that use that service. Disturbances in the service's functioning are the main things that break that transparency, and calling the hurricane that turned Freenode into Leenode a "disturbance" is greatly understating the impact that it had.
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Anyone notable that decided to stay?
Some channels I was in on Freenode were hesitant to move, but they were then taken over by Freenode staff in the wave of channel hijackings (for example, because they had topics like "We're discussing whether to move to Libera, please <bla>") which expedited the move for all of them.
That was such a shockingly stupid move by the new Freenode admins.
There are three projects at the end of the list.
With #freenode themselves being one of them.
Scroll to the very bottom, there's a couple.
Well, one and a half; I don't think #freenode counts (for obvious reasons) and #forth is bridged into #forth at libera.chat. The only channel left on that list of three is #techrights which I'm not personally familiar with.
Regarding #techrights, reading some of the comments from http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-290521.htm... aimed at libera.chat gives me the real creeps. They seem to come from a person and/or people who have a black-and-white vision of some aspects of the world to the point of sheer fanaticism. It's scary.
Some "mentionworthy" quotes:
> Libera chat: yeah, let's just show how "liber" we are by outsourcing our 1) site code 2) site hosting 3) projects to a bunch of criminals who badmouth and bribe to undermine #freesw
> The free in #freenode stands for freedom. The Liber in Libera Chat stands for (neo) liberal.
> Libera chat is all #microsoft (technially), except the IRC daemons.
> Libre chat: we don't know how to set up and manage a git server (funny that, even I can do that... with little experience) but trust us to run a whole IRC network...
> All you mindless fanatics who flock over to libera.chat (185.199.110.153), be aware that they have outsourced to #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly ( cdn-185-199-110-153.github.com ). So they don't exactly value freedom or "libera"... it's just shallow rhetoric. Because it's an ego think against #freenode
If that's one of the main channels performing Freenode support, I'm getting convinced that I made a good move by jumping off Freenode.
Some of that is moderately disturbing but I think if there's anything we can learn from this episode it's that the company running the network barely matters provided they're not just kicking everyone for some reason.
Agreed. The main role of the network, as with any service provider, is being transparent to the functioning of the communities that use that service. Disturbances in the service's functioning are the main things that break that transparency, and calling the hurricane that turned Freenode into Leenode a "disturbance" is greatly understating the impact that it had.
oh wow
To be fair, it will always be easier to find news about something that did happen than about something that didn't :-)