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You know, if all these different social networks just worked towards an open, federated protocol, we wouldn't have to play this game every few years.

Not nearly as much profit as "winner takes all", as long as you are the winner. This is of course what everyone believes in the outset, a bit like the prisoner dilemma really.

I'm still holding out hope that an open, federated web is Google's ultimate play. They've demonstrated (Wave, Buzz) that they're willing to sink resources into it. Maybe they think if they can get enough traction, they can force the other social networks to open up.

A guy can dream, can't he?

I think, if anyone's going to do it, Google's much more likely than Facebook, that's for sure.

They still have a big incentive not to, though.

Didn't they have just as much incentive not to when they released buzz and wave?

Buzz and Wave were different beasts in a lot of ways, although they're all in the "social" category.

My question is, why wasn't this federated from the outset? Could have made even bigger headlines if they were like "Hey, Facebook, here's you connect your users to ours. [link to wiki/doc/etc]"

I'd like that, too, but we probably won't see that until another 7-10 years from now. One of the reasons I'd like a fully decentralized (and anonymized?) network is that it would probably have enormous impact on society all over the world. It might even be the ultimate solution to start a revolution in China. None of the current social networks can help Chinese people the same way they helped other countries revolt.

Why is everyone being downvoted in this thread? On HN, "I disagree" != "I downvote".

Excuse the question; I've been on here for a couple months now and there isn't a down arrow on the website UI at all. I've tried a few android apps and they have down arrows but I wasn't really sure if they actually worked since points are hidden from view. Is downvoting just not possible without a greasemonkey script, but its still enabled on the server or is there something I'm missing?

You don't get a downvote arrow until your karma hits a certain level.

Ah thanks; that makes sense. I haven't felt any particular desire to downvote anything on HN anyway, I was just curious.

This is a frequently perpetuated HN myth.

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