Can you point to a case where the police broke into someone's home, the homeowner shot the police, and was subsequently cleared on self-defense grounds? Or do you mean some yet-to-exist GRU/NKVD/KGB-alike entity rather than, say, the FBI executing a no-knock warrant? I am not trying to be argumentative, just legitimately curious.
Well, when you're under a dictatorship, you KNOW you're under a dictatorship. If you were pretty much anywhere in South America in the seventies, and something woke you up at 3 AM, odds were that was the secret police coming to take you away to torture and/or kill you.
I also stumbled upon this:
Fifteen former LAPD officers have plead guilty to running a robbery ring, which used fake no-knock raids as a ruse to catch victims off guard. The defendants would then steal cash and drugs to sell on the street. This tactic lead Radley Balko, editor of Reason Magazine, to complain "So not only can you not be sure the people banging down your door at night are the police, not only can you not be sure they’re the police even if they say they’re the police, you can’t even be sure it’s safe to let them in even if they are the police."[2][3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant
It allows you to have a gun in case something like that happens. On the day in question, you can go down fighting, or maybe survive. It's not trivial to bust into a house and arrest someone if that person knows the corridors better and may have set booby traps.
Also, the people involved in these armed resistance instances don't have to personally come out on top. They affect enforcement; make the powers that be nervous and careful. I'm pretty sure some politicians thought extra hard before abusing poor people's property rights after the Carl Drega incident, even though he was killed. Not that I know Carl Drega was clearly in the right, but you get the point.
As soon as you have a secret police, the second amendment (if not the entire constitution) will have been abolished. So how does the second amendment help against secret police?
Ummmm....... "During an arrest, you think since you aren’t guilty, how can they arrest you? Why should you run away? And how can you resist right then? After all, you’ll only make your situation worse; you’ll make it more difficult for them to sort out the mistake. And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! We didn’t love freedom enough. Every man always has handy a dozen glib little reasons why he is right not to sacrifice himself."
Doesn't this quote answer your question?, firearms are much more effective than axes hammers pokers and whatever, we have the God given right, weather or not whatever tyrannical government may happen to be in place recognizes the 2nd or not. Disarmament leads to:,
"during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase"
Or worse, sometimes --much much worse.
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This is why I love my freedom to bear arms.
That amendment isn't for hunting--it's for homicide. It is for invaders and secret policemen.
Can you point to a case where the police broke into someone's home, the homeowner shot the police, and was subsequently cleared on self-defense grounds? Or do you mean some yet-to-exist GRU/NKVD/KGB-alike entity rather than, say, the FBI executing a no-knock warrant? I am not trying to be argumentative, just legitimately curious.
Well, when you're under a dictatorship, you KNOW you're under a dictatorship. If you were pretty much anywhere in South America in the seventies, and something woke you up at 3 AM, odds were that was the secret police coming to take you away to torture and/or kill you.
I also stumbled upon this: Fifteen former LAPD officers have plead guilty to running a robbery ring, which used fake no-knock raids as a ruse to catch victims off guard. The defendants would then steal cash and drugs to sell on the street. This tactic lead Radley Balko, editor of Reason Magazine, to complain "So not only can you not be sure the people banging down your door at night are the police, not only can you not be sure they’re the police even if they say they’re the police, you can’t even be sure it’s safe to let them in even if they are the police."[2][3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant
could you explain how right to bear arms is of any help in such situation?
It allows you to have a gun in case something like that happens. On the day in question, you can go down fighting, or maybe survive. It's not trivial to bust into a house and arrest someone if that person knows the corridors better and may have set booby traps.
Ruby ridge incident.
Also, the people involved in these armed resistance instances don't have to personally come out on top. They affect enforcement; make the powers that be nervous and careful. I'm pretty sure some politicians thought extra hard before abusing poor people's property rights after the Carl Drega incident, even though he was killed. Not that I know Carl Drega was clearly in the right, but you get the point.
As soon as you have a secret police, the second amendment (if not the entire constitution) will have been abolished. So how does the second amendment help against secret police?
Ummmm....... "During an arrest, you think since you aren’t guilty, how can they arrest you? Why should you run away? And how can you resist right then? After all, you’ll only make your situation worse; you’ll make it more difficult for them to sort out the mistake. And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! We didn’t love freedom enough. Every man always has handy a dozen glib little reasons why he is right not to sacrifice himself."
Doesn't this quote answer your question?, firearms are much more effective than axes hammers pokers and whatever, we have the God given right, weather or not whatever tyrannical government may happen to be in place recognizes the 2nd or not. Disarmament leads to:, "during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase" Or worse, sometimes --much much worse.