I personally do not like the fact that the voting process is being hidden. I hope PG will take it away soon. These are my reasons:
1. From my experience, I stopped voting because I am not being educated on the fact that we need to vote (well I can't see the rating, so why vote). I have a feeling that other users act similar. Please confirm.
2. The voting process shows the values of HN. Comments that are ok in techcrunch would be downvoted here within a second. And I feel that voting system needs to be open to educate new hackers & founders about what's acceptable and what's not. I know there are rules but we learn by practice.
3. When voting process is open, good comments get even more votes, and irrelevant or bad comments get even more downvoted. I personally don't want to read irrelevant posts. I have limited time but now I feel like going through comments that really don't have enough information.
PG, I hope you take my personal opinion into consideration. Thanks
In regards to #2, I still think hiding low-value comments in some fashion would be the way to go. For example, how about hiding comments that fail to receive X upvotes within Y days? (And, of course, an obligatory link to display all comments, or perhaps all comments in a sub-thread)
Something simple like (for example) a comment needs 1 upvote per day to remain unhidden, until some number of days pass or some number of points are achieved (4? 5?), and then the comment remains visible in perpetuity.
I like the new no-points system, but I do agree #2 is a concern and could used some tweaking.
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I personally do not like the fact that the voting process is being hidden. I hope PG will take it away soon. These are my reasons:
1. From my experience, I stopped voting because I am not being educated on the fact that we need to vote (well I can't see the rating, so why vote). I have a feeling that other users act similar. Please confirm.
2. The voting process shows the values of HN. Comments that are ok in techcrunch would be downvoted here within a second. And I feel that voting system needs to be open to educate new hackers & founders about what's acceptable and what's not. I know there are rules but we learn by practice.
3. When voting process is open, good comments get even more votes, and irrelevant or bad comments get even more downvoted. I personally don't want to read irrelevant posts. I have limited time but now I feel like going through comments that really don't have enough information.
PG, I hope you take my personal opinion into consideration. Thanks
In regards to #2, I still think hiding low-value comments in some fashion would be the way to go. For example, how about hiding comments that fail to receive X upvotes within Y days? (And, of course, an obligatory link to display all comments, or perhaps all comments in a sub-thread)
Something simple like (for example) a comment needs 1 upvote per day to remain unhidden, until some number of days pass or some number of points are achieved (4? 5?), and then the comment remains visible in perpetuity.
I like the new no-points system, but I do agree #2 is a concern and could used some tweaking.
Yes. I agree that we need to hide some comments that really don't add any value.
On the side note, I got more votes right now than ever before. Go figure how people think about voting o_O
<badcomment>Agree</badcomment>
So every down vote is a +1 for bringing back the vote count display, right? Or was the subtlety that thick?
It's a bad comment even though it's only being bad ironically.