I expect this to get deleted as HN has apparently decided that pointing out the CCP is heavily invested in Chinese Tech and directing their actions is a flaggable offense.
I'm sure the next time an NSA scandal is exposed that'll get taken down immediately too... right?
No moderator touched this post or, as far as I can tell, even saw it until I just came here. Users flagged it. The baity title would be reason enough. Reddit drama tends to get flagged here also, for obvious reasons.
HN hasn't "decided" anything like what you say. The issue is that nationalistic flamewar makes people angry and dumb (and worse). People who want to rant and post denunciatory rhetoric—whom there are a lot of, and growing—need to find another place to do that. Thoughtful, curious conversation on China-related topics is as fine here, as it is on other topics, and as it always has been.
The way we operate HN hasn't changed. What has changed are macro social and geopolitical trends. We can't expect HN to be immune from those, but certainly we need to protect it from degenerating into a flamewar site, and that is what the vast majority of this community wants from us.
The issue is that nationalistic flamewar makes people angry and dumb (and worse). People who want to rant and post denunciatory rhetoric—whom there are a lot of, and growing—need to find another place to do that.
I understand and commend the taking down of nationalistic flamewars, for the most part. But that way of operating has one flaw: it gives cover for very back things being carried out, since very bad things are polarising and therefore its denouncing a "flamewar".
I apologise for the question because there is no way to ask it that isn't polarising, but I would really like to know: If Nazi Germany was putting Jews in trains right now, would a post about it get removed from HN? It's a serious question, I think your users deserve to know.
I think it is worth remembering how tightly tech companies
are with the military industrial intelligence media congress complex.
A lot has come from (D)arpa, intelligence contracts, military development, law enforcement.
The US has also privatized a lot of intelligence and military sectors where consultants and others perform jobs that the government might not strictly be allowed.
I think this may be the end of the American experiment. How can you have mostly open organic institutions that anyone can influence and keep out bad actors, especially when one of those actors is another enormous state with the ability to plan and execute plans over decades?
I feel like pre-internet and the current level of globalization this would make some sense, but why would the end result here not be a corruption of open institutions by powerful bad actors?
The American governments job is to keep bad actors from funneling a bunch of money to companies. Another part of the American government’s job is to funnel money into foreign companies and interests. It’s an ever changing game.
Company’s should also question who they are really getting foreign money from and for what purpose. An individual can also choose not to work for a company if they do not agree with their apparent values.
I think they get deleted because it becomes a flaming shit war real fast and is very unproductive.
I personally don't think this title or video are relevant in the slightest on HN, and despite Reddit thinking China controls the website, there are regularly 200,000+ upvoted anti-China messages and theories on the very front page that immediately disprove their argument that China has any pull on Reddit.
I just watched another thread that was in no way a flame war get deleted in the tik-tok topic.
They have taken to deleting ANYTHING that mentions the CCPs investment in Chinese Tech, regardless of whether it's a cordial discussion or not. When people are asking "why would the US be concerned about a stupid app like Tik-Tok" and the response is: because the CCP is heavily invested which is concerning - that shouldn't be deleted. The fact it was brings into question the motivations of the moderators...
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I expect this to get deleted as HN has apparently decided that pointing out the CCP is heavily invested in Chinese Tech and directing their actions is a flaggable offense.
I'm sure the next time an NSA scandal is exposed that'll get taken down immediately too... right?
No moderator touched this post or, as far as I can tell, even saw it until I just came here. Users flagged it. The baity title would be reason enough. Reddit drama tends to get flagged here also, for obvious reasons.
HN hasn't "decided" anything like what you say. The issue is that nationalistic flamewar makes people angry and dumb (and worse). People who want to rant and post denunciatory rhetoric—whom there are a lot of, and growing—need to find another place to do that. Thoughtful, curious conversation on China-related topics is as fine here, as it is on other topics, and as it always has been.
The way we operate HN hasn't changed. What has changed are macro social and geopolitical trends. We can't expect HN to be immune from those, but certainly we need to protect it from degenerating into a flamewar site, and that is what the vast majority of this community wants from us.
I understand and commend the taking down of nationalistic flamewars, for the most part. But that way of operating has one flaw: it gives cover for very back things being carried out, since very bad things are polarising and therefore its denouncing a "flamewar".
I apologise for the question because there is no way to ask it that isn't polarising, but I would really like to know: If Nazi Germany was putting Jews in trains right now, would a post about it get removed from HN? It's a serious question, I think your users deserve to know.
I'll take the fact you didn't answer as "yes, it absolutely would".
I think it is worth remembering how tightly tech companies are with the military industrial intelligence media congress complex.
A lot has come from (D)arpa, intelligence contracts, military development, law enforcement.
The US has also privatized a lot of intelligence and military sectors where consultants and others perform jobs that the government might not strictly be allowed.
Well no -- They don't fund all our operations.
I think this may be the end of the American experiment. How can you have mostly open organic institutions that anyone can influence and keep out bad actors, especially when one of those actors is another enormous state with the ability to plan and execute plans over decades?
I feel like pre-internet and the current level of globalization this would make some sense, but why would the end result here not be a corruption of open institutions by powerful bad actors?
The American governments job is to keep bad actors from funneling a bunch of money to companies. Another part of the American government’s job is to funnel money into foreign companies and interests. It’s an ever changing game.
Company’s should also question who they are really getting foreign money from and for what purpose. An individual can also choose not to work for a company if they do not agree with their apparent values.
Good point about the government's job. I forget we could not live in such a corrupt time/place.
I think they get deleted because it becomes a flaming shit war real fast and is very unproductive.
I personally don't think this title or video are relevant in the slightest on HN, and despite Reddit thinking China controls the website, there are regularly 200,000+ upvoted anti-China messages and theories on the very front page that immediately disprove their argument that China has any pull on Reddit.
I just watched another thread that was in no way a flame war get deleted in the tik-tok topic.
They have taken to deleting ANYTHING that mentions the CCPs investment in Chinese Tech, regardless of whether it's a cordial discussion or not. When people are asking "why would the US be concerned about a stupid app like Tik-Tok" and the response is: because the CCP is heavily invested which is concerning - that shouldn't be deleted. The fact it was brings into question the motivations of the moderators...
https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditMinusMods/
This must all be China. Your theory is no more than conspiracy.