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How long the application is supposed to live, should be relevant here. Some stuff can be a piece of crap, even if it goes against some sensibility of a developer, if it isn't suppose to live long and can give you something back. Some times it should be up to the people that know how long it'll live. It's first when you make the money to pay for the refactoring, you should do it.

But hey, make it perfect from the get go ;)

I know, temporary stuff has a tendency to become permanent. But if you see this trend, then you and your manager should be grown-up enough to have the discussion of rewriting it for something more longterm. (It all depends on what sort of project it is).

Long term projects should never voluntarily allow technical debt. It's just bad for business.

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