Effectively I'm supposed to start someone off with expert tooling and security knowledge so they don't end up blowing themselves up on ... well... Anything?
In my experience all of this knowledge happens "on a journey" vs. treating it as an ideal set of skills. Hence why we have student/intern/junior/senior/architect levels and the like. I review the heck out of junior level work and often find opportunity to help them improve.
I start people off at being able to accomplish something as I find it to be more motivating to keep them learning all of the things you mentioned.
If you're expecting me to have someone at a PCI level (which I am) as a junior you're missing the scope of what I mean when I say "honored to help them start". It took me years to be competent enough to handle PCI as a dev/admin!
Sorry I start with nano and simple web server configs =/
You can't get there from here I say thrust people into a trial by fire and convince them to choose another profession until only the hardcore remain but who's hardcore anymore in this world of where's waldos and salty emoticons
It is a complete lack of empathy to ignore the fact that people learn at different paces, and in different ways. Where I struggle, others succeed and vice versa. The last thing I want to do is have an attitude of "ONLY THE HARDCORE SURVIVE" (read in a voice of an early-2000's wrestler). When we act like this we turn people off to the world of computing... But, we disagree on this - you actively want that.
We have real problems of inclusion in our industry and as someone who's been "part of the problem", I don't want to be part of the problem. "Keep the barriers high" only accomplishes isolation.
You also clearly see yourself as "hardcore". It's OK to feel confident in your respective knowledge, but I would remind you that no one knows everything. This will turn people off to you as an engineer, a colleague, etc. We should all keep our minds open by assuming the role of an everlasting learner in a field that is constantly changing and evolving - I urge everyone to stay humble.
I am sorry you feel this way, and hope you reconsider your stance.
Comments
Effectively I'm supposed to start someone off with expert tooling and security knowledge so they don't end up blowing themselves up on ... well... Anything?
In my experience all of this knowledge happens "on a journey" vs. treating it as an ideal set of skills. Hence why we have student/intern/junior/senior/architect levels and the like. I review the heck out of junior level work and often find opportunity to help them improve.
I start people off at being able to accomplish something as I find it to be more motivating to keep them learning all of the things you mentioned.
If you're expecting me to have someone at a PCI level (which I am) as a junior you're missing the scope of what I mean when I say "honored to help them start". It took me years to be competent enough to handle PCI as a dev/admin!
Sorry I start with nano and simple web server configs =/
You can't get there from here I say thrust people into a trial by fire and convince them to choose another profession until only the hardcore remain but who's hardcore anymore in this world of where's waldos and salty emoticons
It is a complete lack of empathy to ignore the fact that people learn at different paces, and in different ways. Where I struggle, others succeed and vice versa. The last thing I want to do is have an attitude of "ONLY THE HARDCORE SURVIVE" (read in a voice of an early-2000's wrestler). When we act like this we turn people off to the world of computing... But, we disagree on this - you actively want that.
We have real problems of inclusion in our industry and as someone who's been "part of the problem", I don't want to be part of the problem. "Keep the barriers high" only accomplishes isolation.
You also clearly see yourself as "hardcore". It's OK to feel confident in your respective knowledge, but I would remind you that no one knows everything. This will turn people off to you as an engineer, a colleague, etc. We should all keep our minds open by assuming the role of an everlasting learner in a field that is constantly changing and evolving - I urge everyone to stay humble.
I am sorry you feel this way, and hope you reconsider your stance.
No way -- you're still standing so you must be one of us