I was a long time KDE user, then went to light weight wm I switched around from fluxbox, openbox. Then I went to tiling window managers. Which is where I'm at today. I have a screen shot of my old xmonad setup.. http://i.imgur.com/c4HGAEs.png
But now I'm using i3, as managing haskell crap is kind of a pita.
I'll use KDE/gnome from time to time for very specific things, but I could never go back to using them generally. That being said, I always install KDE to get some of the tools, such as Konsole.
Haven't the Xorg developers expressed interest in deprecating it? Sure, someone could take up the mantle to continue working on Xorg, but it sounds similar to staying on Python 2.
Unlike Python 2 not everyone among the Xorg developers want to drop it (e.g. Keith Packard doesn't seem very interested in Wayland). Also Xorg isn't really one thing, it is a bunch of different subprojects with the server being the one that is mostly referred to. Even if everything else stays exactly the same, the X server will still need to be updated since it also works as XWayland.
Finally unlike Python 2 vs 3 the difference between Xorg and Wayland is tremendous, so i can easily see people who will be willing to fork it to continue development.
the X server will still need to be updated since it also works as XWayland.
No, it will not. Xwayland will likely be deprecated and removed in the coming years. The rationale being that nobody uses any Athena or Motif programs anymore and all of the toolkits that matter to modern desktops will have Wayland backends already.
Sure, and Linux will remove support for 32bit applications any time now :-].
Also since it got open sourced (properly), there are more people using Motif applications nowadays than 10 years ago. And there are other toolkits that target X outside of Athena and Motif.
And besides, "removed"? Removed from where? Xorg is just a historical name nowadays, what was called Xorg is a bunch of independent packages and the X server is a package by itself. The only way "removed" would apply here is removing the Wayland backend from the X server. Which isn't impossible, but after all the work that went into it, doesn't make sense.
The Wayland developers are the Xorg developers. It's most of the same core people, so yes. they certainly want to move away from Xorg.
I'm not quite shore what the BSD people are planning. Do they plan on keeping a fork of Xorg or eventually trying to port Wayland to FreeBSD/OpenBSD/et. al.?
This will be a no-go for many Nvidia users looking to use the proprietary video drivers and due to political/philospical differences it will likely never be supported.
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I was a long time KDE user, then went to light weight wm I switched around from fluxbox, openbox. Then I went to tiling window managers. Which is where I'm at today. I have a screen shot of my old xmonad setup.. http://i.imgur.com/c4HGAEs.png
But now I'm using i3, as managing haskell crap is kind of a pita.
another i3 user checking in.
I'll use KDE/gnome from time to time for very specific things, but I could never go back to using them generally. That being said, I always install KDE to get some of the tools, such as Konsole.
I never liked Gnome. QT > GTK. ;) Even the kernel guys switched to qt...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON0A1dsQOV0
Might I suggest Sway when you're ready to make the transition to Wayland.
Implying that switching is inevitable.
It is. Xorg is maintained mostly by Red Hat, and they have deprecated it.
Haven't the Xorg developers expressed interest in deprecating it? Sure, someone could take up the mantle to continue working on Xorg, but it sounds similar to staying on Python 2.
Unlike Python 2 not everyone among the Xorg developers want to drop it (e.g. Keith Packard doesn't seem very interested in Wayland). Also Xorg isn't really one thing, it is a bunch of different subprojects with the server being the one that is mostly referred to. Even if everything else stays exactly the same, the X server will still need to be updated since it also works as XWayland.
Finally unlike Python 2 vs 3 the difference between Xorg and Wayland is tremendous, so i can easily see people who will be willing to fork it to continue development.
No, it will not. Xwayland will likely be deprecated and removed in the coming years. The rationale being that nobody uses any Athena or Motif programs anymore and all of the toolkits that matter to modern desktops will have Wayland backends already.
Sure, and Linux will remove support for 32bit applications any time now :-].
Also since it got open sourced (properly), there are more people using Motif applications nowadays than 10 years ago. And there are other toolkits that target X outside of Athena and Motif.
And besides, "removed"? Removed from where? Xorg is just a historical name nowadays, what was called Xorg is a bunch of independent packages and the X server is a package by itself. The only way "removed" would apply here is removing the Wayland backend from the X server. Which isn't impossible, but after all the work that went into it, doesn't make sense.
What about proprietary software?
Proprietary devs will be expected to upgrade to, for example, a new version of Qt that supports Wayland as a back end.
Xwayland may kick around for really old apps but it will not be maintained at all and you will be expected to forward-port your software to Wayland.
I think parent is asking about proprietary software that uses X11 which is no longer maintained or updated.
They can use the last release of Xwayland, whatever and whenever that is.
But more likely, they will need to be run on some ancient OS or distro version and thus containerized or virtualized anyway.
The Wayland developers are the Xorg developers. It's most of the same core people, so yes. they certainly want to move away from Xorg.
I'm not quite shore what the BSD people are planning. Do they plan on keeping a fork of Xorg or eventually trying to port Wayland to FreeBSD/OpenBSD/et. al.?
Someone will have to answer for X’s crimes.
This will be a no-go for many Nvidia users looking to use the proprietary video drivers and due to political/philospical differences it will likely never be supported.