You’re just voicing your intuition, right? That’s not based on anything you’ve seen measured?
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that uglier people are more subject to family violence, loan discrimination, etc. I am not aware of the science on the subject. But are you saying you are certain enough about the science that we should forget about it?
I suspect many of these comments are perceiving that OP is trying to minimize the seriousness of race and sexuality based discrimination, and pushing back on that. That’s valiant, but I don’t think that’s what OP said.
I think we should care about racism and care about other forms of discrimination too. I don’t think it’s a zero sum game, and the more practice we have finding empathy the better we will treat everyone.
This is a perfect example actually... sometimes racism manifests as “ugly policing” and so taking appearance policing more seriously will actually help us be less racist.
So you’re specifically focused on institutionalized violence? I agree that gay people and many racial groups have special status there.
I thought we were talking about violence that’s not overtly state sanctioned, like violence against women, etc. That was my confusion. I live in the U.S. and that’s the bulk of the violence I see against gay people, black people, etc. What I would call illegal violence, held in place by cultural norms more than overt institutions.
I'm not specifically focused on anything, I just mention a single well-known fact (which you can easily verify) to dispel that I'm just "voicing my intuition" and "not based on anything".
Now if you sincerely believe ugly people face even worse persecution than this, go ahead and argue this with the knowledge and evidence you have. Don't just poison the well and move the goalpost - that makes people assume you are not arguing in good faith.
Yes, I see an almost exclusive focus on just a few types of discrimination, but there is discrimination that is more crosscutting, widespread, and more ignored.
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You’re just voicing your intuition, right? That’s not based on anything you’ve seen measured?
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that uglier people are more subject to family violence, loan discrimination, etc. I am not aware of the science on the subject. But are you saying you are certain enough about the science that we should forget about it?
I suspect many of these comments are perceiving that OP is trying to minimize the seriousness of race and sexuality based discrimination, and pushing back on that. That’s valiant, but I don’t think that’s what OP said.
I think we should care about racism and care about other forms of discrimination too. I don’t think it’s a zero sum game, and the more practice we have finding empathy the better we will treat everyone.
This is a perfect example actually... sometimes racism manifests as “ugly policing” and so taking appearance policing more seriously will actually help us be less racist.
Not based on anything? Are you trolling? Some countries literally have death penalty for being gay.
Many kinds of discrimination exists and some get overlooked, but you are not really helping anyone by denying reality.
Not trolling, no, just trying to understand.
So you’re specifically focused on institutionalized violence? I agree that gay people and many racial groups have special status there.
I thought we were talking about violence that’s not overtly state sanctioned, like violence against women, etc. That was my confusion. I live in the U.S. and that’s the bulk of the violence I see against gay people, black people, etc. What I would call illegal violence, held in place by cultural norms more than overt institutions.
I'm not specifically focused on anything, I just mention a single well-known fact (which you can easily verify) to dispel that I'm just "voicing my intuition" and "not based on anything".
Now if you sincerely believe ugly people face even worse persecution than this, go ahead and argue this with the knowledge and evidence you have. Don't just poison the well and move the goalpost - that makes people assume you are not arguing in good faith.
Yes, I see an almost exclusive focus on just a few types of discrimination, but there is discrimination that is more crosscutting, widespread, and more ignored.