Thank you for the posting of those images, beautiful car and very well maintained. Most of the better DS's are no 'pallassified', mostly because the parts are laying around anyway and if you have a DS you might as well have the nicest version. A 23i Pallas is as nice as they come. I wonder if it originally had the half-automatic gearbox. My first had that, it was a really nice system once you got the hang of it, but the 19B had a regular five speed manual as well and that was pretty much trouble free.
The biggest advantage of the half-automatic was that people that would ask to drive it were easily put off by the exotic gearbox :) You had to start it by pressing the gear shift lever to the left after making contact to avoid starting it in gear, clever interlock.
My mechanic actually has almost exactly the same model (same colour too!) from '74, but his has the Citromatic gearbox. Mine has always had the 5-speed manual. If not they would have needed to replace the engine as well.
The engine that went with the 5-speed manual was different than the other engines, because the transmission was bigger. It was therefore not possible to get an engine with the manual starter at the front of the car, if it was 5-speed.
Hehe, I wonder how many people realize what the hole in front of their DS grille is for :) The wheelnut wrench doubles as emergency starter. The best bit it still to show people how to change a tire on a DS. Magic!
Out of curiosity, is it possible to manually start it?
The reason I ask is that I've inherited a 1950 Jaguar, which also has a hole for crank starting the engine, but it's only these very early models that have the hole in the radiator for the crank. Apparently, the force required to start the XK engine manually is too much to be feasible for mere humans to achieve, and I've been told the best way to start it if the starter fails is to find a hill you can push the car down and putting it in gear.
If you feel like breaking your wrist, then yes, you can try.
The problem is that if it misfires while you crank it (which is very easy because you are revolving the engine very slowly) then it will kick back against the direction of turn. Alternatively, the hole and the freeing mechanism will be so rusty that once it does catch it will continue to turn with the crank it. 2 chances for $1. It is supposed to free up once it starts running by pushing the crank forward against a slant cut into the receiver on the engine but that works as often as it doesn't.
I've done it, once. Even if you know what you are doing it is still dangerous and I would definitely not recommend it. Young, stupid, and so on. The good part is that the sleeve is long enough that it likely will not throw the crank out the way some other cars will do, it goes in quite far.
As for pushstarting it, that will work with the manual gearboxes, but it does not work with the semi-automatics.
Super cool car you have. My former accountant had one too, he always took it on trips to France for holidays every year. A bit finicky to keep running well but with a good mechanic that should be doable as long as you don't start using it as a daily driver.
My former accountant had one too, he always took it on trips to France for holidays every year.
Oh, that's funny. The owners of the hostel we stayed at in the Netherlands used to do that, too. Apparently it was one of the V12 Jags from the 70s or 80s (Daimler Sovereign or XJ I think), and for good measure they had an after market trailer hitch attached, so they could bring their caravan along for the trip! I don't dare thinking about how much money that must've cost in fuel alone...
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It's a DS 23 with a 5-speed manual.
Here is a picture of it at a car park: https://i.imgur.com/KJXYtOX.jpg And here next to a Aston Martin Vanquish: https://i.imgur.com/pPMDoEg.jpg
As you can see, it has been decorated as a Pallas, but it probably was not an original Pallas.
Thank you for the posting of those images, beautiful car and very well maintained. Most of the better DS's are no 'pallassified', mostly because the parts are laying around anyway and if you have a DS you might as well have the nicest version. A 23i Pallas is as nice as they come. I wonder if it originally had the half-automatic gearbox. My first had that, it was a really nice system once you got the hang of it, but the 19B had a regular five speed manual as well and that was pretty much trouble free.
The biggest advantage of the half-automatic was that people that would ask to drive it were easily put off by the exotic gearbox :) You had to start it by pressing the gear shift lever to the left after making contact to avoid starting it in gear, clever interlock.
My mechanic actually has almost exactly the same model (same colour too!) from '74, but his has the Citromatic gearbox. Mine has always had the 5-speed manual. If not they would have needed to replace the engine as well.
The engine that went with the 5-speed manual was different than the other engines, because the transmission was bigger. It was therefore not possible to get an engine with the manual starter at the front of the car, if it was 5-speed.
Hehe, I wonder how many people realize what the hole in front of their DS grille is for :) The wheelnut wrench doubles as emergency starter. The best bit it still to show people how to change a tire on a DS. Magic!
Out of curiosity, is it possible to manually start it?
The reason I ask is that I've inherited a 1950 Jaguar, which also has a hole for crank starting the engine, but it's only these very early models that have the hole in the radiator for the crank. Apparently, the force required to start the XK engine manually is too much to be feasible for mere humans to achieve, and I've been told the best way to start it if the starter fails is to find a hill you can push the car down and putting it in gear.
If you feel like breaking your wrist, then yes, you can try.
The problem is that if it misfires while you crank it (which is very easy because you are revolving the engine very slowly) then it will kick back against the direction of turn. Alternatively, the hole and the freeing mechanism will be so rusty that once it does catch it will continue to turn with the crank it. 2 chances for $1. It is supposed to free up once it starts running by pushing the crank forward against a slant cut into the receiver on the engine but that works as often as it doesn't.
I've done it, once. Even if you know what you are doing it is still dangerous and I would definitely not recommend it. Young, stupid, and so on. The good part is that the sleeve is long enough that it likely will not throw the crank out the way some other cars will do, it goes in quite far.
As for pushstarting it, that will work with the manual gearboxes, but it does not work with the semi-automatics.
Yeah, that sounds more or less like what the XK veterans told me: You can certainly try, but you probably don't want to.
Super cool car you have. My former accountant had one too, he always took it on trips to France for holidays every year. A bit finicky to keep running well but with a good mechanic that should be doable as long as you don't start using it as a daily driver.
Oh, that's funny. The owners of the hostel we stayed at in the Netherlands used to do that, too. Apparently it was one of the V12 Jags from the 70s or 80s (Daimler Sovereign or XJ I think), and for good measure they had an after market trailer hitch attached, so they could bring their caravan along for the trip! I don't dare thinking about how much money that must've cost in fuel alone...