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Last I checked, in the EU or the USA you don't disappear in the middle of the night never to be seen again because you are:

-follower of different religion

-saying the word "democracy"

-critisizing a politician/the government

so yes, first things first.

In 2014, former CIA and NSA director Michael Hayden said in a public debate, “We kill people based on metadata.”
According to multiple reports and leaks, death-by-metadata could be triggered, without even knowing the target’s name, if too many derogatory checks appear on their profile.
“Armed military aged males” exhibiting suspicious behavior in the wrong place can become targets, as can someone “seen to be giving out orders.” Such mathematics-based assassinations have come to be known as “signature strikes.”

Source: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/how-...

Really, does HN deserve that kind of idiotic post?

You can walk around China an say "democracy" all day. You think they don't report on eg elections in the US on TV there? People in China complain about the government and laws all day.

There is a lot wrong with China that they deserve to be called out for, but what's your goal with a post like that? Show the world that you don't have a clue about anything besides tech? It boggles my mind how many people happily buy any FUD that helps them painting a simple black and white image of the world just so they can feel good about their own country.

True. It would be a more accurate post if it listed "having a watch set to the wrong time zone" instead (mentioned in the HRW report).

It is unfortunate that there is a lot of misinformation about China out there. Winnie the Pooh isn't banned. The social credit system apparently isn't like how it's commonly reported in the West. But I also chafe at the suggestion that China is little worse than the US on these points. There are few countries on earth that have more control over their population and shape the way they think than China.

https://www.hrw.org/report/2018/09/09/eradicating-ideologica...

Really, does HN deserve that kind of idiotic post?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: specifically:

When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

I don't know about the democracy part but he also mentioned religion and their ethnic cleansing of Muslims seems pretty bad from what I've read.

Was McCarthyism really that long ago?

You're moving the goalposts with a strawman. We are no better than anyone else when it comes to information privacy, which is the thrust of this article.

I'm trying to be as objective as possible. I've never been to China, but I've been to other communist country and the truth is I saw a lot of happy citizens there. While we can sit here and criticize other countries all day, but does it really matter if their own people are living happily there? We can argue and fight all day for the best policies, best technologies, best business ideas, etc. but at the end of the day what everyone is really looking for is just happiness. You can have the most money in the world and still be miserable, our world is already full of those people.

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