Maybe for junior devs to get their foot in the door, but not for any higher level positions. You can't tell very much about someone's engineering skills based on some public commits to a side project and very few people (<1%) are writing open source professionally.
I wished more recruiters got this. The bulk of many professional's work i would imagine is deemed proprietary company property and not everyone really has the life that affords them the time to commit frequently to someone else's pet project repository because we have kids and families that soak up that time.
"Do you have a GitHub profile?" Is a question thats making me raise an eyebrow more and more lately, what if I don't? What's that say about me that I'm not constantly constantly distributing my code to everyone else via public repositories?
Yes I have a github profile but all you're going to find is a Jekyll site where I blog about model airplanes and geek off about air traffic control chatter. Doubt that's very interesting content for a guy who works in fintech
As someone who has been in charge of recruiting developers, one of the hardest parts is deciding if someone is really any good. Your CV and who you’ve worked for doesn’t really say anything, even after chatting to you I don’t know whether the code you are writing is going to be good or not.
So I can either get you to do a coding excercise (but who has time for that, especially when you may have three other offers already) or I can ask for a sample of your code. When I ask candidates if they have a GitHub profile, I ask because that’s where most people have samples of code they’ve worked on. If you don’t, just tell me and send me a zip of some code so I can see how you actually write code.
If you don’t even have that, well sorry, but I’m getting plenty of CVs through everyday.
It also works the other way, maybe you aren’t good at interviews but you know you are a good developer. List on your CV some of your interesting projects with GitHub links (or put “code available on request”).
If you don’t even have that, well sorry, but I’m getting plenty of CVs through everyday.
If you have a full supply of well qualified candidates, good for you because you are in the minority. However, most company's candidates are garbage and the last ones you want to lose are the ones with three competing offers.
Tell them you need a code sample, don't make stupid decisions based on presence of a github profile if you want to hire anyone above a junior level.
Framing a recruiter asking for a github link as a question of contributing to the tech world is disingenuous.
Stack overflow, Google, Apple, etc have contributed significantly more to the tech world than 99% of open source projects. Ruling out developers from closed source projects is myopic.
The one that is built on titanic effort of others not all of which was compensated in any way at all?
This is how open source works. Either you are cool with giving away code without compensation that others will use or you aren't. You can't have it both ways.
I say all of this as a huge open source advocate btw.
To other jobs have such requirements? And also what should you do? Throw away your non-engineering private life so you can find a job easier later at some point?
Do other jobs have such benefits? Remote work all over the globe for example? The fact that everyone needs IT these days and so you have tons of work? Nice comfy offices? Apples to oranges won't fly.
And also what should you do?
Find a work-life balance instead of answering a fair question with a defensive silly question of your own (I ain't even a recruiter and that answer right there made me lol, imagine a guy having to listen to that defensive shit and still having to try and salvage a candidate because he may have strict job requirements). And by that balance I mean either work your ass off to produce quality code in your spare time and stand out among candidates or don't and someone else will stand out instead.
Also check out the irony with this 'my code' stuff too. That's exactly why you have to work ass off in spare time: because every employer goes 'quack! it's my code, don't show it to anyone' so you can't share it with another recruiter.
Most dev jobs are still normal 8-5 jobs though... And pretty much none of my coworkers has an active github with breathtaking projects. I think we are in a bubble on those online communities here (online / startup / SV).
Neither do mine, I'm just looking from the other, recruiter's side (not USA, no family, web platform). What makes people think that recruiters have to give time to someone who is likely worse over someone who is likely better? We are free to allocate our time as we see fit, but we must also accept full responsibility for the consequences.
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Maybe for junior devs to get their foot in the door, but not for any higher level positions. You can't tell very much about someone's engineering skills based on some public commits to a side project and very few people (<1%) are writing open source professionally.
I wished more recruiters got this. The bulk of many professional's work i would imagine is deemed proprietary company property and not everyone really has the life that affords them the time to commit frequently to someone else's pet project repository because we have kids and families that soak up that time.
"Do you have a GitHub profile?" Is a question thats making me raise an eyebrow more and more lately, what if I don't? What's that say about me that I'm not constantly constantly distributing my code to everyone else via public repositories?
Yes I have a github profile but all you're going to find is a Jekyll site where I blog about model airplanes and geek off about air traffic control chatter. Doubt that's very interesting content for a guy who works in fintech
As someone who has been in charge of recruiting developers, one of the hardest parts is deciding if someone is really any good. Your CV and who you’ve worked for doesn’t really say anything, even after chatting to you I don’t know whether the code you are writing is going to be good or not.
So I can either get you to do a coding excercise (but who has time for that, especially when you may have three other offers already) or I can ask for a sample of your code. When I ask candidates if they have a GitHub profile, I ask because that’s where most people have samples of code they’ve worked on. If you don’t, just tell me and send me a zip of some code so I can see how you actually write code.
If you don’t even have that, well sorry, but I’m getting plenty of CVs through everyday.
It also works the other way, maybe you aren’t good at interviews but you know you are a good developer. List on your CV some of your interesting projects with GitHub links (or put “code available on request”).
If you have a full supply of well qualified candidates, good for you because you are in the minority. However, most company's candidates are garbage and the last ones you want to lose are the ones with three competing offers.
Tell them you need a code sample, don't make stupid decisions based on presence of a github profile if you want to hire anyone above a junior level.
Yes... that's my point. I want a code sample, but I'm not judging you based on whether you have a GitHub profile or not.
god I hope this is exaggerated lol.
Filthy recruiter, how can they even ask such a question. How dare they ask whether I make tech world better outside my job. Muh keeds, muh family.
The one that is built on titanic effort of others not all of which was compensated in any way at all?
Framing a recruiter asking for a github link as a question of contributing to the tech world is disingenuous.
Stack overflow, Google, Apple, etc have contributed significantly more to the tech world than 99% of open source projects. Ruling out developers from closed source projects is myopic.
This is how open source works. Either you are cool with giving away code without compensation that others will use or you aren't. You can't have it both ways.
I say all of this as a huge open source advocate btw.
To other jobs have such requirements? And also what should you do? Throw away your non-engineering private life so you can find a job easier later at some point?
Do other jobs have such benefits? Remote work all over the globe for example? The fact that everyone needs IT these days and so you have tons of work? Nice comfy offices? Apples to oranges won't fly.
Find a work-life balance instead of answering a fair question with a defensive silly question of your own (I ain't even a recruiter and that answer right there made me lol, imagine a guy having to listen to that defensive shit and still having to try and salvage a candidate because he may have strict job requirements). And by that balance I mean either work your ass off to produce quality code in your spare time and stand out among candidates or don't and someone else will stand out instead.
Also check out the irony with this 'my code' stuff too. That's exactly why you have to work ass off in spare time: because every employer goes 'quack! it's my code, don't show it to anyone' so you can't share it with another recruiter.
Most dev jobs are still normal 8-5 jobs though... And pretty much none of my coworkers has an active github with breathtaking projects. I think we are in a bubble on those online communities here (online / startup / SV).
Neither do mine, I'm just looking from the other, recruiter's side (not USA, no family, web platform). What makes people think that recruiters have to give time to someone who is likely worse over someone who is likely better? We are free to allocate our time as we see fit, but we must also accept full responsibility for the consequences.
There is no correlation with open source and quality.