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It's pretty unlikely that any dyed-in-the-wool Republican is going to hear your rational argument and be so astonished at your doctrine that he changes his mind.

Actually it is surprisingly likely..IF you're willing to do the hard work of moral reframing to put it from their views and values. See https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/opinion/sunday/the-key-to... for more about that.

That said, few people of any political persuasion are able to engage in that exercise.

I don't think this kind of exercise is that difficult, and I get plenty of practice on HN talking to people who have very right-wing ideas about the economy. But come on; it's not a way of working miracles. You might persuade your uncle who loves Donald Trump to moderate a couple of positions; you aren't going to turn him away from the Republican Party.

This is the main reason that election campaigns have moved on and focus much more heavily on turning out their own supporters than persuading "undecided" voters, who are a statistical nullity.

Do think that Republicans are irrational? Are Democrats rational? What about Libertarians or Greens? Irrational or no?

Is that what's at issue here? I think very few people -- nearly none -- are actually open to being rationally persuaded to completely flip their political beliefs. People with completely different political commitments usually start from different axioms.

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