it was difficult to frame this question

because the philosophy of mathematics has so many branches with even more leaves i just went with the vague 'opposing' of one branch to cover as much ground as possible

in doing so i was moreso hoping to encourage others would define their own philosophical views on mathematics

i suppose if i was 'arguing against' anything it was more against a sort of mathematical formalism that states math only exists in the mind, or the axioms defined by human minds

if one can construct fractals and then encounter a plant like this it would seem validating to infer the mathematics being utilised by both the plant and the mathematician does indeed exist outside both