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> In the USA, many people who criticize single-payer health care don't have the first clue about it.

Actually, many do.

About half the US population gets its healthcare via some US govt. (FWIW, The VA was just found to have given HIV to about 1800 people.) It isn't any cheaper or more effective than the private system(s).

If the US govt is capable of delivering healthcare effectively, why isn't it?

That's why I wanted to give Obama a free hand wrt the folks that US govts already serve, with no increase in per-capita budget. And, since govt health care is supposed to be cheaper, the per-capita budget goes down 5%/year for years 3-6 (which is a bit over 20%). The savings can be spent on covering additional people or other programs.

For some reason, Obamacare advocates don't like that proposal.

Here's my take. If you don't think that the next generation is going to pay your social security, what makes you think that it's going to pay your healthcare? That said, I appreciate that you're volunteering to pay mine.

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