That's not really the whole story, and given that Hamas forcibly evicted the also-democratically-elected executive branch, I wouldn't exactly call their rule democratic.
For a typical Gazan, they're stuck with Hamas and Israel even if they'd rather not deal with either of them.
Um, I don't think Israel "pulled out of their occupation." I'm pretty sure that Gaza's borders are completely sealed by the Israeli military as is their airspace. There might not be Israeli soldiers inside Gaza, but the occupation continues as long as Israel maintains complete control over airspace and borders.
My hopes are irrelevant to the discussion. My point was that your claim is inaccurate. If you're unwilling to make factual claims, than maybe you shouldn't participate in this discussion. The world needs neither more ignorance nor more lies when discussing global conflicts.
The part about Israel ending its occupation. Removing soldiers from Gaza is insufficient to end the occupation. At least, according to the UN, Human Rights Watch, and scores of NGOs.
Your absolutist proclamations are a good example of what's wrong on all sides of the equation.
Israel is a victim to some extent, yeah. But until Israel ends the blockade of Gaza and lets them trade freely from their own coastline, they're still under occupation.
until Israel ends the blockade of Gaza and lets them trade freely from their own coastline, they're still under occupation
such a moronic statement on Hacker News, I'm shocked. Do you think trade is stifled just so people like you can shout demands at Israel, a country at war, from the sidelines?
I've been to Israel. I have several friends who've been participants in said war, up to and including firing their weapons and hurting/killing people. I've felt the irrational random fear on a public bus that makes a mockery of all the people who claim to be afraid of terror in America.
My statement stands. If you have nothing to say about it other than to call it "moronic", maybe you should try learning something yourself. Protip: War is not football, you don't pick a side and root, you hope that it ends so there will be less suffering.
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The Gazans voted in Hamas democratically and Israel pulled out of their occupation, if that's the name for it, and now the place is worse than ever.
That's not really the whole story, and given that Hamas forcibly evicted the also-democratically-elected executive branch, I wouldn't exactly call their rule democratic.
For a typical Gazan, they're stuck with Hamas and Israel even if they'd rather not deal with either of them.
Israel care more about the people of Gaza way more than Hamas. It's a real tragedy.
Um, I don't think Israel "pulled out of their occupation." I'm pretty sure that Gaza's borders are completely sealed by the Israeli military as is their airspace. There might not be Israeli soldiers inside Gaza, but the occupation continues as long as Israel maintains complete control over airspace and borders.
That's just too bad for Gaza. Hamas will have to learn how to stop firing rockets into Israel's airspace. What sort of borders were you hoping for?
My hopes are irrelevant to the discussion. My point was that your claim is inaccurate. If you're unwilling to make factual claims, than maybe you shouldn't participate in this discussion. The world needs neither more ignorance nor more lies when discussing global conflicts.
What parts are inaccurate, Michael?
The part about Israel ending its occupation. Removing soldiers from Gaza is insufficient to end the occupation. At least, according to the UN, Human Rights Watch, and scores of NGOs.
Those organizations are basically just inconsolable, fixated and merciless Israel-bashers. I don't buy into their rhetoric, and you shouldn't either.
The Israeli army said the Palestinians had stopped buying fuel in recent days after Hamas failed to pay its share of the costs.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100409/wl_mideast_afp/mideastc...
Israel is the victim, and it is far too accommodating with the murderers at her doorsteps.
Your absolutist proclamations are a good example of what's wrong on all sides of the equation.
Israel is a victim to some extent, yeah. But until Israel ends the blockade of Gaza and lets them trade freely from their own coastline, they're still under occupation.
until Israel ends the blockade of Gaza and lets them trade freely from their own coastline, they're still under occupation
such a moronic statement on Hacker News, I'm shocked. Do you think trade is stifled just so people like you can shout demands at Israel, a country at war, from the sidelines?
I've been to Israel. I have several friends who've been participants in said war, up to and including firing their weapons and hurting/killing people. I've felt the irrational random fear on a public bus that makes a mockery of all the people who claim to be afraid of terror in America.
My statement stands. If you have nothing to say about it other than to call it "moronic", maybe you should try learning something yourself. Protip: War is not football, you don't pick a side and root, you hope that it ends so there will be less suffering.
A moronic statement indeed, you "try learning something yourself," and you stop with "absolutist proclamations."
Tip: you end a war by winning, not losing. Loser.