Well, although I did enjoy the rails framework quite a bit, it's certainly not the first framework I've ever worked with. I've built applications with struts, ASP.Net (1.0 and 2.0), JSF, Django, etc, and I really do think rails is my favorite yet. My apologies if that offended you at all, I'll try to retain a little more cynicism next time.
;)
Welcome! You are going to enjoy frameworks! They are really cool!
Those of us who don't have the time to try out so many new things would appreciate an essay on the subject of "why I, as a brand-new user, found Rails so much more fun than Django or .Net". If nothing else, it would be fun to have an iota of actual evidence that I can cite when I'm patting myself on the back for having chosen Ruby and Rails over the others.
Don't become cynical right away. The framework community is awash in cynics at the moment. There's a backlash, dontcha know, because folks are aghast that after three whole years of hard work Fred Brooks is still right: Rails and Django and CakePHP haven't made web programming as easy as sneezing. It's still just web programming. You type, and you type some more, and you get a brief glimpse of joy, and then you fire up IE 6.0, and you burst into tears. Some things never change.
See? Working too hard at the coal face can make me cynical too. So for god's sake have some fun and be proud of having fun. We could all use some enthusiasm!
Nah don't be cynical. I'm pretty sure most people had the same glowing reaction the first time they used Rails (or something like it). Heck, I still have to use Hibernate at the day job, so getting home to ActiveRecord and DataMapper just makes my day all over again every night.
I think your post has gotten garbled in transmission. What you meant to say was:
"Welcome! You'll find that you'll enjoy using frameworks; they are really great."
Or
"Once you're done learning the basics you should try out my Project X extension which does Y and Z and is scalable
and only costs $19.95 from my startup. Help me pay the rent! :)"
Or, at the very least,
"I hate all existing frameworks. After you use them for a while you will encounter problems Foo and Bar, for which the solution is to adopt Parrot on Parade, the new meta-meta-framework that I invented last week."
Sneering at new users is not cool. I'm sure you didn't really mean to do that. It's just my cable modem acting up again.
I don't think he was sneering at anyone... just (accurately) pointing out that this post has been lost in time since early 2005, and no one has any idea how it finally arrived here today...
If high-level languages and frameworks make developers happy and productive, and Rails makes those accessible to new users, then isn't Rails ultimately a great accomplishment?
Comments
"Blah, blah, blah... I've never used a Framework before... Blah blah blah... This is the best thing I've ever experienced... Blah blah blah."
Color me wrong, but I hate posts like this, just not cool.
Well, although I did enjoy the rails framework quite a bit, it's certainly not the first framework I've ever worked with. I've built applications with struts, ASP.Net (1.0 and 2.0), JSF, Django, etc, and I really do think rails is my favorite yet. My apologies if that offended you at all, I'll try to retain a little more cynicism next time. ;)
Let me take my own medicine here.
Welcome! You are going to enjoy frameworks! They are really cool!
Those of us who don't have the time to try out so many new things would appreciate an essay on the subject of "why I, as a brand-new user, found Rails so much more fun than Django or .Net". If nothing else, it would be fun to have an iota of actual evidence that I can cite when I'm patting myself on the back for having chosen Ruby and Rails over the others.
Don't become cynical right away. The framework community is awash in cynics at the moment. There's a backlash, dontcha know, because folks are aghast that after three whole years of hard work Fred Brooks is still right: Rails and Django and CakePHP haven't made web programming as easy as sneezing. It's still just web programming. You type, and you type some more, and you get a brief glimpse of joy, and then you fire up IE 6.0, and you burst into tears. Some things never change.
See? Working too hard at the coal face can make me cynical too. So for god's sake have some fun and be proud of having fun. We could all use some enthusiasm!
Modded up for that IE 6.0 gem.
Nah don't be cynical. I'm pretty sure most people had the same glowing reaction the first time they used Rails (or something like it). Heck, I still have to use Hibernate at the day job, so getting home to ActiveRecord and DataMapper just makes my day all over again every night.
I think your post has gotten garbled in transmission. What you meant to say was:
"Welcome! You'll find that you'll enjoy using frameworks; they are really great."
Or
"Once you're done learning the basics you should try out my Project X extension which does Y and Z and is scalable and only costs $19.95 from my startup. Help me pay the rent! :)"
Or, at the very least,
"I hate all existing frameworks. After you use them for a while you will encounter problems Foo and Bar, for which the solution is to adopt Parrot on Parade, the new meta-meta-framework that I invented last week."
Sneering at new users is not cool. I'm sure you didn't really mean to do that. It's just my cable modem acting up again.
The OP didn't appear to be "sneering at new users", but complaining about a post that contains nothing but drivel.
That said, the story is scoring well. I blame premature upvoting and the lack of vote take-backs.
I don't think he was sneering at anyone... just (accurately) pointing out that this post has been lost in time since early 2005, and no one has any idea how it finally arrived here today...
Thank you Stillinmotion, These kind of post were great 2 years ago, but now its such a cliché.
If high-level languages and frameworks make developers happy and productive, and Rails makes those accessible to new users, then isn't Rails ultimately a great accomplishment?