If you want canadian talent you can get it, but you cannot pretend you deserve it. You must work for it.That means identifying talent in university before the Microsoft or Google recruiters get ahold of their resume. It means finding developers before the skill is obvious for the big corps. Then you treat them well and have them start their career before graduation.
During my university the local division of Coverity did a good job of this. They sponsored the programming club events. They sent real engineers to every career fair. They gave internships to 2 years. They kept on skilled programmers throughout the year. One guy I knew got married and bought a house while working part time there even before graduation.
I would say that company grabbed the majority of the high-performing nice-to-work-with students from my year. The only ones they did not get was me (video game programming japan), and my friend (C++ standard library programming at google).
Or you could whine about why you deserve to get Canada's best at insulting wages. Maybe that will work.
Or you could whine about why you deserve to get Canada's best at insulting wages. Maybe that will work.
Had a opportunity with a Ontario based startup, their starting package was 40k and they wanted me to relocate. When pushing for a better salary, I was told this was the best they could offer. Fucking insulting wage for a backend developer (Go/Appengine)
Again and again, why don't Canadian companies understand that CS graduate can easily earn 100k in the states and can actually afford a house? How can they offer what they offer and stay competitive?
I grew up in Vancouver, went to high-school there, whet to UBC there. My family is in Vancouver. The majority of my friends are in Vancouver. I own real-estate in Vancouver. I eventually want to move back to Vancouver. I can safely say I love Vancouver. However, I currently live in Seattle. Why? The money!
As frustrating as it is to admit, and as uninteresting as it is, the simple answer is usually the most appropriate:
Canadian companies like their tier-2 low wage talent (and some tier-1 low wage talent - who prefer Canada). Its good enough for their usecases, and it gets the job done. Meanwhile, they like to complain that they can't hire tier-1 low wage talent.
Seems the philosophy Canada is going with is 'revolving-door', by balancing emigration with immigration[1][2]. What happens when the economy slows and there's record household debt? There should be more bedrock jobs than just a derivative function of the global economy.
As a naive college graduate, I accepted a package that pathetic to commute from Brampton to Markham every day. I might as well have been paying them for the privilege of working!
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If you want canadian talent you can get it, but you cannot pretend you deserve it. You must work for it.That means identifying talent in university before the Microsoft or Google recruiters get ahold of their resume. It means finding developers before the skill is obvious for the big corps. Then you treat them well and have them start their career before graduation.
During my university the local division of Coverity did a good job of this. They sponsored the programming club events. They sent real engineers to every career fair. They gave internships to 2 years. They kept on skilled programmers throughout the year. One guy I knew got married and bought a house while working part time there even before graduation.
I would say that company grabbed the majority of the high-performing nice-to-work-with students from my year. The only ones they did not get was me (video game programming japan), and my friend (C++ standard library programming at google).
Or you could whine about why you deserve to get Canada's best at insulting wages. Maybe that will work.
Had a opportunity with a Ontario based startup, their starting package was 40k and they wanted me to relocate. When pushing for a better salary, I was told this was the best they could offer. Fucking insulting wage for a backend developer (Go/Appengine)
Again and again, why don't Canadian companies understand that CS graduate can easily earn 100k in the states and can actually afford a house? How can they offer what they offer and stay competitive?
I grew up in Vancouver, went to high-school there, whet to UBC there. My family is in Vancouver. The majority of my friends are in Vancouver. I own real-estate in Vancouver. I eventually want to move back to Vancouver. I can safely say I love Vancouver. However, I currently live in Seattle. Why? The money!
As frustrating as it is to admit, and as uninteresting as it is, the simple answer is usually the most appropriate:
Canadian companies like their tier-2 low wage talent (and some tier-1 low wage talent - who prefer Canada). Its good enough for their usecases, and it gets the job done. Meanwhile, they like to complain that they can't hire tier-1 low wage talent.
That is the only answer I can come up with!
Seems the philosophy Canada is going with is 'revolving-door', by balancing emigration with immigration[1][2]. What happens when the economy slows and there's record household debt? There should be more bedrock jobs than just a derivative function of the global economy.
[1]http://www.canadianbusiness.com/innovation/how-canadas-immig...
[2] http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/john-mccallum-substantially-...
Any real innovation flocks to the states if they become any relevant.
I hate that this is true, as another Canadian Seattelite.
As a naive college graduate, I accepted a package that pathetic to commute from Brampton to Markham every day. I might as well have been paying them for the privilege of working!