Oh please. I do that 20x a day without R Studio. Saving a chart is as simple as png(...). You are clearly too mouse-bound. I reject your comment out of hand.
Funny, I always thought personal computing not being about strict protocol but more like freestyle guitar playing where individual styles are not as important as the results of the techniques.
actually, while the idiom seems initially appealing that feestyle guitar would more closely resemble using the (superficially analogue) mouse than using a (clearly digital) keyboard, actually the opposite is true. That is because the mouse is limited to a small selection of prescribed onscreen choices, whereas the keyboard, while still being a digital medium (unlike the freestyle guitar - on that I agree), has a much, much wider palette of expressiveness thanks to the inevitably orders-of-magnitude greater combination of command combinations of which it is capable.
Aye, but using a well-designed program allows you to use both the keyboard and mouse simultaneously. Especially something like visual studio, you can create keybindings for damn near everything, set up macros, etc, plus still use the mouse for quick and dirty stuff. So a visual interface may be more like a two-necked guitar, where some think it's a gimmick, and there's admittedly a bit of lost flexibility from both sides, but you gain more overall.
Or go cyborg like me! I have a 12 button Razer mouse on the right, and a Razer Nostromo (formerly Belkin) on the left with plenty of macros, and analog in the mix customized for each program.
Why save it at all when in RStudio you can skip that step. Doesn't have anything to do with a mouse either because you still write and execute all the code with the keyboard. This all seems very out of left field.
but you don't have to save it to view it under the command line.
> plot(rnorm(100))
is not going to give you anything different under R-Studio, than command-line R, other than redirecting the identical output into a convenience window in its IDE. Sure R-Studio will save a history for you and throw a few conveniences at you but, command-line >plot(rnorm(100)) will popup a window on all OS versions of R and you'll be able to visualize all day long. Including multiple open charts. With selectable focus for further manipulation. R-Studio (MS-VS-RStudio) is just a very thin wrapper on something which is 100% there already. However, in return for nominal initial friendliness, it has the downside of sleepwalking you into a workflow which, if you don't understand what's going on underneath, will hold back your R learning curve.
Now IDEs are useful, if you understand the tradeoffs. They're a higher-level wrapper on stuff, with all the pluses and minuses that that entails. Higher-level = lower learning curve, greater immediate productivity, vs lower-level = higher learning curve, lower immediate productivity but greater long term power.
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Oh please. I do that 20x a day without R Studio. Saving a chart is as simple as png(...). You are clearly too mouse-bound. I reject your comment out of hand.
"You are clearly too mouse-bound."
Funny, I always thought personal computing not being about strict protocol but more like freestyle guitar playing where individual styles are not as important as the results of the techniques.
actually, while the idiom seems initially appealing that feestyle guitar would more closely resemble using the (superficially analogue) mouse than using a (clearly digital) keyboard, actually the opposite is true. That is because the mouse is limited to a small selection of prescribed onscreen choices, whereas the keyboard, while still being a digital medium (unlike the freestyle guitar - on that I agree), has a much, much wider palette of expressiveness thanks to the inevitably orders-of-magnitude greater combination of command combinations of which it is capable.
Aye, but using a well-designed program allows you to use both the keyboard and mouse simultaneously. Especially something like visual studio, you can create keybindings for damn near everything, set up macros, etc, plus still use the mouse for quick and dirty stuff. So a visual interface may be more like a two-necked guitar, where some think it's a gimmick, and there's admittedly a bit of lost flexibility from both sides, but you gain more overall.
Or go cyborg like me! I have a 12 button Razer mouse on the right, and a Razer Nostromo (formerly Belkin) on the left with plenty of macros, and analog in the mix customized for each program.
Why save it at all when in RStudio you can skip that step. Doesn't have anything to do with a mouse either because you still write and execute all the code with the keyboard. This all seems very out of left field.
but you don't have to save it to view it under the command line.
is not going to give you anything different under R-Studio, than command-line R, other than redirecting the identical output into a convenience window in its IDE. Sure R-Studio will save a history for you and throw a few conveniences at you but, command-line >plot(rnorm(100)) will popup a window on all OS versions of R and you'll be able to visualize all day long. Including multiple open charts. With selectable focus for further manipulation. R-Studio (MS-VS-RStudio) is just a very thin wrapper on something which is 100% there already. However, in return for nominal initial friendliness, it has the downside of sleepwalking you into a workflow which, if you don't understand what's going on underneath, will hold back your R learning curve.Now IDEs are useful, if you understand the tradeoffs. They're a higher-level wrapper on stuff, with all the pluses and minuses that that entails. Higher-level = lower learning curve, greater immediate productivity, vs lower-level = higher learning curve, lower immediate productivity but greater long term power.