Nice article Ron, non-pc & certainly learnt something reading it. Though I reckon this ones a ripper...
"... So I can't really go into many specifics about what happened at Google because of confidentiality, but the upshot was this: I saw, pretty much for the first time in my life, people being as productive and more in other languages as I was in Lisp. What's more, once I got knocked off my high horse (they had to knock me more than once -- if anyone from Google is reading this, I'm sorry) and actually bothered to really study some of these other languges I found #myself# suddenly becoming more productive in
other languages than I was in Lisp. For example, my language of choice for doing Web development now is Python. ..."
"For example, my language of choice for doing Web development now is Python. ..."
To Lisper:
It seems several people are comparing Arc to other Lisps.
I think that's somewhat unproductive. The Lisp user base is so small now that there isn't much sense "marketing" to that audience by comparing Arc to Scheme, CL, etc.
So, an alternative question: what would it take for you to use Arc instead of Python for web programming?
> It seems several people are comparing Arc to other Lisps.
Not me (at least I hope not). I was trying to judge Arc entirely by the standards that Paul set for it in his foundational essays.
> what would it take for you to use Arc instead of Python for web programming?
At the very least better documentation :-) There appear to be some really cool things in the Arc web infrastructure, but the only way to figure out how to use them at the moment seems to be to reverse-engineer the code.
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Nice article Ron, non-pc & certainly learnt something reading it. Though I reckon this ones a ripper...
"... So I can't really go into many specifics about what happened at Google because of confidentiality, but the upshot was this: I saw, pretty much for the first time in my life, people being as productive and more in other languages as I was in Lisp. What's more, once I got knocked off my high horse (they had to knock me more than once -- if anyone from Google is reading this, I'm sorry) and actually bothered to really study some of these other languges I found #myself# suddenly becoming more productive in other languages than I was in Lisp. For example, my language of choice for doing Web development now is Python. ..."
Going to submit this post? ~ http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/6f75cfb5a2...
"For example, my language of choice for doing Web development now is Python. ..."
To Lisper:
It seems several people are comparing Arc to other Lisps.
I think that's somewhat unproductive. The Lisp user base is so small now that there isn't much sense "marketing" to that audience by comparing Arc to Scheme, CL, etc.
So, an alternative question: what would it take for you to use Arc instead of Python for web programming?
> It seems several people are comparing Arc to other Lisps.
Not me (at least I hope not). I was trying to judge Arc entirely by the standards that Paul set for it in his foundational essays.
> what would it take for you to use Arc instead of Python for web programming?
At the very least better documentation :-) There appear to be some really cool things in the Arc web infrastructure, but the only way to figure out how to use them at the moment seems to be to reverse-engineer the code.
Some way to seamlessly call Python modules from Arc.
I wasn't planning on it. Don't let that stop you though.
Done ~ http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=107683