But, you're changing the way that the site _can_ be used. Not saying the that recommendation engine works well, but it won't work at all if I can't rate things because I have no karma left. It also won't help me, if I use reddit in place of sites like del.icio.us or other social bookmarking sites.
Personally, I think the private subreddit thing is going to be a huge win, because it now becomes a better del.icio.us. In del.icio.us you can share links, but you can't easily discuss things about them. Now, in order for this to be really good, reddit will have to provide a "copy this to my private subreddit" and make it more blatantly apparent that you can actually become "friends" with others. It wouldn't hurt reddit if they made it super super easy to add and update the people allowed in the subreddit (I'm thinking API even).
Anyway, the argument about a site not being useful at all if you can't rate things because you have no karma left is easily countered if you head over to Slashdot and see how their system works. http://slashdot.org/faq/com-mod.shtml I absolutely agree though that it cannot be used as a del.icio.us or the like.
But it will be interesting to see how it plays out over at Reddit. I'm not holding my breath though...
I didn't see it as such, more as an interesting conversation :-)
But won't you have the problem that Reddit seems to suffer from, namely that some users will downmod all other rising stories than their own? Maybe even bother to create multiple accounts for doing so?
And I agree, the above alone won't solve Reddits problems. But if someone with a bit of algorithmic sense had the dataset to look at I think that it should be possible to come up with a pretty good solution. Probably one using a multitude of technologies, of which the above may be some.
> ... namely that some users will downmod all other rising stories than their own?
Reddit's new "create your own subreddit" can have moderators that can ban users, or make it private with invites. Maybe what you'll get is something similar to flickr groups. "You contribute great stories and provide insightful comments, please come join us in our private subreddit."
This probably leads to other problems...
> Probably one using a multitude of technologies, of which the above may be some.
While I agree that stopping spammers from hitting the front page would be a great addition to any social news sites, I'd hate to see the other, not so popular uses, of these sites suffer as a result of combative strategies.
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But, you're changing the way that the site _can_ be used. Not saying the that recommendation engine works well, but it won't work at all if I can't rate things because I have no karma left. It also won't help me, if I use reddit in place of sites like del.icio.us or other social bookmarking sites.
Personally, I think the private subreddit thing is going to be a huge win, because it now becomes a better del.icio.us. In del.icio.us you can share links, but you can't easily discuss things about them. Now, in order for this to be really good, reddit will have to provide a "copy this to my private subreddit" and make it more blatantly apparent that you can actually become "friends" with others. It wouldn't hurt reddit if they made it super super easy to add and update the people allowed in the subreddit (I'm thinking API even).
I said it was just off the top of my head :-)
Anyway, the argument about a site not being useful at all if you can't rate things because you have no karma left is easily countered if you head over to Slashdot and see how their system works. http://slashdot.org/faq/com-mod.shtml I absolutely agree though that it cannot be used as a del.icio.us or the like.
But it will be interesting to see how it plays out over at Reddit. I'm not holding my breath though...
I'm not attacking you by any means, just the common misconception that any one of these 5 things will solve reddit's problems.
I'm quite familiar with Slashdot, thanks. My point about not being able to rate things without karma is more about links than comments though.
I didn't see it as such, more as an interesting conversation :-)
But won't you have the problem that Reddit seems to suffer from, namely that some users will downmod all other rising stories than their own? Maybe even bother to create multiple accounts for doing so?
And I agree, the above alone won't solve Reddits problems. But if someone with a bit of algorithmic sense had the dataset to look at I think that it should be possible to come up with a pretty good solution. Probably one using a multitude of technologies, of which the above may be some.
> ... namely that some users will downmod all other rising stories than their own?
Reddit's new "create your own subreddit" can have moderators that can ban users, or make it private with invites. Maybe what you'll get is something similar to flickr groups. "You contribute great stories and provide insightful comments, please come join us in our private subreddit."
This probably leads to other problems...
> Probably one using a multitude of technologies, of which the above may be some.
While I agree that stopping spammers from hitting the front page would be a great addition to any social news sites, I'd hate to see the other, not so popular uses, of these sites suffer as a result of combative strategies.