Then that intent should be on the guidelines page, and not in the imagination in your head...period. I think pg does a good job at relaying the intent of how he thinks things should work in his various essays. I disagree with him on some fine points. He wants more civility, I want more directness. I also don't want people to pretend to be civil in voice and absolutely uncivil in action.
Furthermore, guidelines are not rules:
Since you have trouble understanding the difference betwixt the two:
I think you can probably tell by now I really don't give a rats ass about my karma, to the chagrin of people that think I'm only whining about mod points -- but I do care about interesting discussion (which includes meta-discussion). You seem to think discussion is only interesting if it follows some rule-set you've invented that really has nothing to do with the intent or words of the guidelines of HN or even in most cases (as provided by citations) to yourself unless it's particularly convenient for you to pull them out to suppress voices you don't want to hear -- such as mine.
As I've outlined, mod points and abuses of the voting system can suppress interesting discussion exactly as it has done here both by encouraging non-interesting discussion and by discouraging dissenting voices. You are even aware that the voting system is open to abuse! http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1013389 Yet here we are, with you participating in your own support and participation in an abuse of the system.
You've provided nothing even remotely interesting along the lines of meta-discussion regarding this topic in all of your previous posts that I could be bothered to read through except pedantic reference to the guidelines page from time to time. At the very least I supplied an alternate voting and comment scheme (which is perhaps a poor scheme, but I'm open to it being up for debate, at least it's some ideas). Most assuredly you don't like it since it would force people such as yourself to be bothered to provide some commentary and not just whore karma.
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First off, Happy Holidays!
Now back to arguing about something...
Then that intent should be on the guidelines page, and not in the imagination in your head...period. I think pg does a good job at relaying the intent of how he thinks things should work in his various essays. I disagree with him on some fine points. He wants more civility, I want more directness. I also don't want people to pretend to be civil in voice and absolutely uncivil in action.
Furthermore, guidelines are not rules:
Since you have trouble understanding the difference betwixt the two:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3Aguidelines
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3Arule
I think you can probably tell by now I really don't give a rats ass about my karma, to the chagrin of people that think I'm only whining about mod points -- but I do care about interesting discussion (which includes meta-discussion). You seem to think discussion is only interesting if it follows some rule-set you've invented that really has nothing to do with the intent or words of the guidelines of HN or even in most cases (as provided by citations) to yourself unless it's particularly convenient for you to pull them out to suppress voices you don't want to hear -- such as mine.
As I've outlined, mod points and abuses of the voting system can suppress interesting discussion exactly as it has done here both by encouraging non-interesting discussion and by discouraging dissenting voices. You are even aware that the voting system is open to abuse! http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1013389 Yet here we are, with you participating in your own support and participation in an abuse of the system.
You've provided nothing even remotely interesting along the lines of meta-discussion regarding this topic in all of your previous posts that I could be bothered to read through except pedantic reference to the guidelines page from time to time. At the very least I supplied an alternate voting and comment scheme (which is perhaps a poor scheme, but I'm open to it being up for debate, at least it's some ideas). Most assuredly you don't like it since it would force people such as yourself to be bothered to provide some commentary and not just whore karma.