Nice one nickb. Have you also tried tumblr as a 'crude delicious'? It has a sweet bookmarklet thats easy to use the same time as news.yc's.
Two tips I'd like to chip in myself:
1) Rewrite the headline to make it clearer
2) Don't post a submission or comment unless you believe it creates value for others. Consider the signal/noise ratio.
And a third for those who only want karma:
3) Mention a keyword such as PG, YC or Lisp in the headline. "Justin.tv Video interview with Paul Graham on
writing openID support for news.yc in lisp" would be a high karma headline
...I was going to say something against that last point, and it not being done for the right purposes. I then hit reply and found you changed it. Well played.
But, this still applies to some more of the posts here. I notice that, for the most part, people are harking against news.yc being flooded with crappy submissions and turning into digg/reddit. Then you have threads like this where a portion of the focus of these comments are geared towards giving tips on how to have high karma retrieving posts.
In my opinion, karma is nice and all, but the main purpose of news.yc is to submit quality articles, articles that interest you and may interest others, without karma valuation playing a role in submitting something. That is part of the reason why digg has devolved into what it is now. People began to put a great deal of emphasis and importance on accumulating diggs, or karma here, which in turn decreased value of posts, and so on, blah blah.
I'm not suggesting we eradicate karma. Karma is a fine way to credit quality submissions and comments. Karma is not the problem, but rather a person's desire to accumulate lots of karma is.
I'm putting the burden on the users to evaluate their motives and to make sure that what they are submitting will really contribute to the community, not for the sole purpose of fueling their karma fetish.
RE #3: Yes, you will get karma for mentioning any of those 3 things, but that's because a lot of people are interested in them. Really, is there a better or more appropriate place on the internet for people to go if they're interested in PG, YC, or Lisp?
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Nice one nickb. Have you also tried tumblr as a 'crude delicious'? It has a sweet bookmarklet thats easy to use the same time as news.yc's.
Two tips I'd like to chip in myself:
1) Rewrite the headline to make it clearer
2) Don't post a submission or comment unless you believe it creates value for others. Consider the signal/noise ratio.
And a third for those who only want karma:
3) Mention a keyword such as PG, YC or Lisp in the headline. "Justin.tv Video interview with Paul Graham on writing openID support for news.yc in lisp" would be a high karma headline
...I was going to say something against that last point, and it not being done for the right purposes. I then hit reply and found you changed it. Well played.
But, this still applies to some more of the posts here. I notice that, for the most part, people are harking against news.yc being flooded with crappy submissions and turning into digg/reddit. Then you have threads like this where a portion of the focus of these comments are geared towards giving tips on how to have high karma retrieving posts.
In my opinion, karma is nice and all, but the main purpose of news.yc is to submit quality articles, articles that interest you and may interest others, without karma valuation playing a role in submitting something. That is part of the reason why digg has devolved into what it is now. People began to put a great deal of emphasis and importance on accumulating diggs, or karma here, which in turn decreased value of posts, and so on, blah blah.
In any case, vote me up!
But if you keep the community small and smart, they would only vote up the good articles so submitting shit will no reward anyone with more karma.
So, even people only want to acquire karma points they would have to submit interesting links, otherwise no one will upmod but downmod them.
Sorry about it changing. I have a very iterative approach to writing.
Are there any non-karma approaches to news sites that work well?
The two that I know of are:
I'm not suggesting we eradicate karma. Karma is a fine way to credit quality submissions and comments. Karma is not the problem, but rather a person's desire to accumulate lots of karma is.
I'm putting the burden on the users to evaluate their motives and to make sure that what they are submitting will really contribute to the community, not for the sole purpose of fueling their karma fetish.
RE #3: Yes, you will get karma for mentioning any of those 3 things, but that's because a lot of people are interested in them. Really, is there a better or more appropriate place on the internet for people to go if they're interested in PG, YC, or Lisp?