Yeah, I realize that. Type 2 seems more intriguing to me though. I wonder what sort of impact it would have on a solar system to harness most of the star's energy. Is there a sort of outer space ecosystem that it would disrupt?
Given the fragility of the biosphere and the determination of powerful factions to break it, developing the capability to be a tiny bit existentially independent of it is good.
I thought it was pretty hilarious that they removed "cooling" as a requirement for orbital compute when it's actually way harder to keep something cool on a satellite than on earth. There is no matter floating around in orbit to dump heat into...
They didn't mention it, because it's barely an inconvenience.
Why does everyone seem to think it's super difficult? It's really easy to keep things cool in space. Radiant cooling is very effective when the background energy is 3° K. The radiators don't even need to be as large as the solar panels picking up energy.
The most difficult challenge for satellite temperature regulation is the sudden changes in solar heating when passing in and out of Earth's shadow, but these satellites would be in an orbit that doesn't cross behind earth's shadow, making thermal regulation simpler than most low- and medium-Earth-orbit satellites.
It's not like it's easy on earth. Servers on earth almost always require a heat pump between the computer and outside, whether directly cooling the computer or cooling the air in a room the computer is running in. Almost all of the cooling comes through convective action, which requires significant air or water movement, or if that isn't enough evaporating water may be needed.
This analysis calculates 80 square meters of radiator surface area needed per rack, or 200,000 square meters per 100 MW.
It's not to say it can't be done, I think orbital data centers could actually be a pretty good idea, but to say cooling is a nonissue is disingenuous. Innovations are needed there to make it work.
Again, that's less than the surface area needed for the solar panels, and the body of the satellite itself is included in that.
As far as satellite design goes, the thermal design is easier than radiation hardening or vibration resistance, and unlike something running on earth, there's no ongoing costs associated with it. As far as things to worry about when designing a satellite, it's as much of an issue as making sure the power supplies are the right voltage and the radio is running on the right frequency, which is to say you check to make sure you got it right, but otherwise it's a non issue.
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The scale of this thing seems science fictional.
https://x.com/ChrisJBakke/status/2085519392285380966
That's 15 Pentagons.
Where? There: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbons_Creek_Reservoir
Site is legit - https://www.tesla.com/careers/search/?department=terafab&sit...
I wouldn't be surprised if it's another Musk pump-and-dump scheme for SpaceX. We'll be seeing more of these every quarter now.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47969237
Posted 3 months ago as well, might not be new
For anyone out there who might know:
To achieve a Type II civilization, is a Dyson Swarm currently the best theoretical approach or are there others that are more promising?
I don't have an answer for you, but I have a reminder to all the would-be Dyson Sphere buffs out there:
Dyson Spheres are supposed to be built around a star, not around a planet!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere
We're not even close to type I, anyway.
Yeah, I realize that. Type 2 seems more intriguing to me though. I wonder what sort of impact it would have on a solar system to harness most of the star's energy. Is there a sort of outer space ecosystem that it would disrupt?
Dr. Tom Murphy seems highly relevant here. https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2011/10/the-energy-trap/ also: https://escholarship.org/uc/energy_ambitions
At one point people stop believing in these grandiose marketing stunts. I hope the time is now.
Not something to be proud of...
Given the fragility of the biosphere and the determination of powerful factions to break it, developing the capability to be a tiny bit existentially independent of it is good.
They didn't mention it, because it's barely an inconvenience.
Why does everyone seem to think it's super difficult? It's really easy to keep things cool in space. Radiant cooling is very effective when the background energy is 3° K. The radiators don't even need to be as large as the solar panels picking up energy.
The most difficult challenge for satellite temperature regulation is the sudden changes in solar heating when passing in and out of Earth's shadow, but these satellites would be in an orbit that doesn't cross behind earth's shadow, making thermal regulation simpler than most low- and medium-Earth-orbit satellites.
It's not like it's easy on earth. Servers on earth almost always require a heat pump between the computer and outside, whether directly cooling the computer or cooling the air in a room the computer is running in. Almost all of the cooling comes through convective action, which requires significant air or water movement, or if that isn't enough evaporating water may be needed.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/orbital-data-centers-heat
This analysis calculates 80 square meters of radiator surface area needed per rack, or 200,000 square meters per 100 MW.
It's not to say it can't be done, I think orbital data centers could actually be a pretty good idea, but to say cooling is a nonissue is disingenuous. Innovations are needed there to make it work.
Again, that's less than the surface area needed for the solar panels, and the body of the satellite itself is included in that.
As far as satellite design goes, the thermal design is easier than radiation hardening or vibration resistance, and unlike something running on earth, there's no ongoing costs associated with it. As far as things to worry about when designing a satellite, it's as much of an issue as making sure the power supplies are the right voltage and the radio is running on the right frequency, which is to say you check to make sure you got it right, but otherwise it's a non issue.
It's no longer Mars, it's the Galaxy. Must be a prank site?